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  • ​​​​​​​If God created the Sun on the third day, how had two days already passed?

    I posted this on Quora and Facebook: This person asks a good question: how has two earth days passed if there was no sun. A even better question is how do you have an earth if there is no sun for it to orbit around. An even better one yet, is if the sun is a shadow of Jesus, why would God create the earth first, when certainly Jesus is the first and the last. God tells us that the heavens declare His glory, and His truth is His glory, so they declare that Jesus is the first and the last, not second to the earth.

    If God created the Sun on the third day, how had two days already passed?
    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/gen/1.28?
    Lou Newton
    Lou Newton, former Steel Mill Crane Designer and Physics Teacher
    Answered 13h ago


    God did not create the sun on the third day. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Is the sun part of the heavens ? Yes it is and it was created in the beginning or the big bang. All matter and energy was created in the first instant of time, the beginning. The Bible and science agrees on this.

    Let there be light was when the sun started fusion and started making light. The sun and moon appeared on the 3rd day. The sun had been giving out light but the dust in the solar system meant it could not be seen from earth. The light came through the dust like it does on a cloudy day, but it could not be seen. But the solar wind blew the dust out of the solar system and the sun could be seen on the third day, or the third coming of light. Th sun appeared on the 3rd day, or could be seen.

    God only uses the word create three places in Gen 1. He created all matter and energy, then He created the soul for animals, then He created the spirit for Adam. Create means to create something out of nothing. God uses the word made, or form, when He formed something out of something He already created. For instance the earth was without form when God created the heavens and the earth. The matter He was going to form the earth out of was created, but it was not formed into our solar system yet.
    Last edited by Lou Newton; March 25, 2018, 11:00 AM.

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    Linda Shaffield Cook
    Linda Shaffield Cook Great answer, Lou.
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    Lou Newton
    Lou Newton Hi Linda - God created the creation and it declares His glory. Some treat it as if men created it and seem to think anything the creation reveals is evil. The creation was the very first revelation from God, and of God. The creation and The Bible agree on every detail, if one seeks the truth from our Creator instead of believing the traditions of men.
    Tom Maloney
    Tom Maloney Exactly how many parameters are there for life to occur on earth? It's over 200 isn't it? That's close to being impossible by statistical analysis, isn't it.
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    Lou Newton
    Lou Newton Only God knows how many parameters there are for life to be possible on earth. But it is large number of them. Some think that we have only the fact that light takes almost 14 billions year to get from the most distant object we can see from the earth to estimate the age of the universe. BUT there have been over 17 entirely different branches of science that have done totally independent studies on the age of the universe using totally different methods. These have all come up with an age of the universe of almost 14 billion earth years. God is not trying to deceive us, but reveals the truth to all who truly seek the truth.
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    • #3
      Lou Newton
      Lou Newton While there are over 100 billion stars in our galaxy, life can not take place on almost all of them. The sun has to be at the right distance from the center of the galaxy to have life. Too close and too much radiation, too far and too little. That alone leaves most stars out. But our sun also can not be in one of the galaxy arms to have life. It would be too close to other stars and a supernova would have taken place in our neighbor hood too often and close enough to wipe life out. But also about 90% of stars are red dwarfs. But it has been proven that red dwarfs can not have life in their system. Because it has been shown that any planet orbiting a red dwarf in the Goldilocks zone would be tidally locked to the star and one side would be very hot and the other very cold and so no life. But that is only two parameters to consider and there are many many more.
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      Lou Newton
      Lou Newton There is no intelligent life on any planet except for the earth in out solar system. The earth is very rare. The earth had to be the 3rd from the sun to have life. Any closer and too hot and any further and too cold. The earth is the only planet with one and only one moon. One moon is necessary for life to take place. Also that moon has to be very large in comparison to the planet. That is because it has to be large enough to cause tides on the planet, Two moons would cause these tides to be too small for one moon would fight the other. These tides have been found necessary for life to take place. Mercury and Venus have no moons. Mars has two very small moons. Jupiter and Saturn both have about 60. Uranus and Neptune have many moons. Pluto is a twin planet and has four small moons. It was thought for many years that other planets in our solar system had life. But we have found none. Any star system also has to have a rocky planet about the size of the earth at the right distance from the star to have life. But that star system also has to have large gas giants that orbit further out from that star to protect the small rocky planet from comets and asteroids. Our earth is a very rare planet. Intelligent life is not common, it is very very rare. In fact it is a miracle. ---------------- The natural is a sign of the spiritual --- Jesus said spiritual life ( eternal life) would be found by very few.-------- There is one and only on moon for life to take place. There is one and only one body of Christ and only those have life.

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        Lou Newton
        Lou Newton Most star systems have more than one star in them. We used to think there were many stars that were single star systems. But when we built more powerful telescopes we found that most of those were double or even quadruple star systems. There can only be life in a star system with one and only one star. The planet has to have fairly constant temperatures and more than one star causes those temps to change far too much for life to take place. Single stars systems are fairly rare. ------ The natural is a sign of the spiritual. ---- One has to trust in One and Only One God to have eternal life.---- Look up in the sky. There is ONE sun, not three. Just as Jesus said the most important command of God was, The Lord your God is ONE. ---- Psalm 19
        For the director of music. A psalm of David.
        1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
        the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
        2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
        night after night they reveal knowledge.
        3 They have no speech, they use no words;
        no sound is heard from them.
        4 Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
        their words to the ends of the world.
        In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
        5 It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
        like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
        6 It rises at one end of the heavens
        and makes its circuit to the other;
        nothing is deprived of its warmth.

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        • #5
          Lou Newton God our Father came down from heaven to be born of a woman to become a man so he could shed His blood for our sin. We have to humble ourselves before our Creator (Father) and give our life to Him. We have to trust in what God did on the cross to save us from our sin. Jesus is God Almighty. We have to have His Holy Spirit dwell in our spirits to be born again, to have eternal life. There is One and Only One God, but He has appeared in three different forms to bring us eternal life.----Isaiah 43- 10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,
          “and my servant whom I have chosen,
          so that you may know and believe me
          and understand that I am he.
          Before me no god was formed,
          nor will there be one after me.
          11 I, even I, am the Lord,
          and apart from me there is no savior.



          Tom Maloney
          Tom Maloney Well wrote, Lou.

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          • #6
            Parameters necessary for life was asked about by Tom. I just so happened to see this post on Yahoo: I post it here because it is well written and well researched.

            captkona3
            5 days ago
            In the 60's and 70's the astronomer Carl Sagan announced that there were two important criteria for a planet to support life: The right kind of star, and a planet the right distance from that star. Given the roughly octillion—1 followed by 24 zeros—planets in the universe, there should have been about septillion—1 followed by 21 zeros—planets capable of supporting life.

            With such spectacular odds, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, a large, expensive collection of private and publicly funded projects launched in the 1960s, was sure to turn up something soon. Scientists listened with a vast radio telescopic network for signals that resembled coded intelligence and were not merely random. But as years passed, the silence from the rest of the universe was deafening. Congress defunded SETI in 1993, but the search continues with private funds. As of 2014, researches have discovered precisely bubkis—0 followed by nothing.

            What happened? As our knowledge of the universe increased, it became clear that there were far more factors necessary for life than Sagan supposed. His two parameters grew to 10 and then 20 and then 50, and so the number of potentially life-supporting planets decreased accordingly. The number dropped to a few thousand planets and kept on plummeting.
            Even SETI proponents acknowledged the problem. Peter Schenkel wrote in a 2006 piece for Skeptical Inquirer magazine: “In light of new findings and insights, it seems appropriate to put excessive euphoria to rest . . . . We should quietly admit that the early estimates . . . may no longer be tenable.”

            As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even we shouldn’t be here.
            Today there are more than 200 known parameters necessary for a planet to support life—every single one of which must be perfectly met, or the whole thing falls apart. Without a massive planet like Jupiter nearby, whose gravity will draw away asteroids, a thousand times as many would hit Earth’s surface. The odds against life in the universe are simply astonishing.

            Yet here we are, not only existing, but talking about existing. What can account for it? Can every one of those many parameters have been perfect by accident? At what point is it fair to admit that science suggests that we cannot be the result of random forces? Doesn’t assuming that an intelligence created these perfect conditions require far less faith than believing that a life-sustaining Earth just happened to beat the inconceivable odds to come into being?

            There’s more. The fine-tuning necessary for life to exist on a planet is nothing compared with the fine-tuning required for the universe to exist at all. For example, astrophysicists now know that the values of the four fundamental forces—gravity, the electromagnetic force, and the “strong” and “weak” nuclear forces—were determined less than one millionth of a second after the big bang. Alter any one value and the universe could not exist. For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction—by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000—then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to gulp.

            Multiply that single parameter by all the other necessary conditions, and the odds against the universe existing are so heart-stoppingly astronomical that the notion that it all “just happened” defies common sense. It would be like tossing a coin and having it come up heads 10 quintillion times in a row. Really?
            Fred Hoyle, the astronomer who coined the term “big bang,” said that his atheism was “greatly shaken” at these developments. He later wrote that “a common-sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super-intellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as with chemistry and biology . . . . The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.”

            Theoretical physicist Paul Davies has said that “the appearance of design is overwhelming” and Oxford professor Dr. John Lennox has said “the more we get to know about our universe, the more the hypothesis that there is a Creator . . . gains in credibility as the best explanation of why we are here.”

            The greatest miracle of all time, without any close seconds, is the universe. It is the miracle of all miracles, one that ineluctably points with the combined brightness of every star to something—or Someone—beyond itself. -Eric MetaxaS

            Eric, I can only think of one far bigger miracle:
            Ephesians 1 (TLB)


            4 Long ago, even before he made the world, God chose us to be his very own through what Christ would do for us; he decided then to make us holy in his eyes, without a single fault—we who stand before him covered with his love. 5 His unchanging plan has always been to adopt us into his own family by sending Jesus Christ to die for us. And he did this because he wanted to!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
              An even better one yet, is if the sun is a shadow of Jesus,
              Psalm 19:1-5
              The sun is compared to a bridegroom! This imagery is very similar to Christ as the bridegroom. (Joel 2:16)

              Malachi 4:2 NASB
              2 “But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings; and you will go forth and skip about like calves from the stall.

              These verses and others use the light of the sun as an analogy for the work of Christ.
              However, believers should not ignore the following verses.

              Deuteronomy 4:19 NIV
              And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars--all the heavenly array--do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

              Deuteronomy 17:3 NIV
              3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars in the sky,

              2 Kings 23:5 ESV
              5 And he deposed the priests whom the kings of Judah had ordained to make offerings in the high places at the cities of Judah and around Jerusalem; those also who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and the moon and the constellations and all the host of the heavens.

              2 Kings 23:11 NIV
              11 He removed from the entrance to the temple of the Lord the horses that the kings of Judah had dedicated to the sun. They were in the court near the room of an official named Nathan-Melek. Josiah then burned the chariots dedicated to the sun.

              Job 31:26-28 English Standard Version ESV
              26 if I have looked at the sun when it shone,
              or the moon moving in splendor,
              27 and my heart has been secretly enticed,
              and my mouth has kissed my hand,
              28 this also would be an iniquity to be punished by the judges,
              for I would have been false to God above.

              Jeremiah 8:2 NIV
              2 They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens, which they have loved and served and which they have followed and consulted and worshiped. They will not be gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.

              Jeremiah 43:13 NIV
              13 There in the temple of the sun in Egypt he will demolish the sacred pillars and will burn down the temples of the gods of Egypt.’”

              Ezekiel 8:14-18 NIV
              14 Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the Lord, and I saw women sitting there, mourning the god Tammuz. 15 He said to me, “Do you see this, son of man? You will see things that are even more detestable than this.”
              16 He then brought me into the inner court of the house of the Lord, and there at the entrance to the temple, between the portico and the altar, were about twenty-five men. With their backs toward the temple of the Lord and their faces toward the east, they were bowing down to the sun in the east.
              17 He said to me, “Have you seen this, son of man? Is it a trivial matter for the people of Judah to do the detestable things they are doing here? Must they also fill the land with violence and continually arouse my anger? Look at them putting the branch to their nose! 18 Therefore I will deal with them in anger; I will not look on them with pity or spare them. Although they shout in my ears, I will not listen to them.”

              Romans 1:25 NIV
              25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
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              The reader ought to be aware that Lou presents his solution to the dilemma of the creation of the"great light" on the third day as fact rather than supposition. His supposition denies the literal meaning of the text.
              The "great light" did not appear out of the debris on the third day but was made on the third day just as on the first day Elohim said, "let there be light."

              What appears irrational to men is inspired divine revelation to some of us. Using human reason to reorganize revealed events of creation so as to make them fit the presuppositions of human understanding is not biblical interpretation but speculation. The speculation Lou makes might be correct but that is not interpreting the Bible - unless, if one conceives the Genesis creation account as an allegory, then the meaning is open for a spiritual application without regard for it being an accurate account of how Elohim created things. Many theologians have this view, but why then bother to reinterpret the creation account to match human beliefs about the origins of the universe?
              Last edited by glen smith; March 26, 2018, 12:36 AM.

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