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    The KJV is a favorite version of many because of the beautiful prose. But it is not the literal translation that all the translators agreed upon. There were many disagreements right up to the very end. Read the following article to see about the method used to translate the KJV. Also those who claim the KJV is the ONLY accurate version should remember that it was the work of a government that was led by a Roman Catholic King. Plus the fact that it has been revised several times.

    I do not put my trust in translations, but in the Author of the original Hebrew and Greek. The Lord is able to lead and guide us to truth if we seek the truth. He can use any translation to lead us. Read the one He leads you to use.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/bible-...thod-they-hate

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    Bible Loved by Christian Fundamentalists Written Using Method They Hate

    The King James Bible's creation was guided by the Holy Spirit and miraculously agreed upon, fundamentalist Christians say. Newly discovered texts say it was a whole lot messier.

    CANDIDA MOSS 04.29.18 12:01 AM ET

    The King James Version of the Bible is the most popular and influential version of the world’s most printed book. And today millions of Christians turns to the King James, or Authorized Version, of the Bible when they look for religious inspiration and guidance. It’s the Bible of choice for fundamentalist Protestants, great figures of literature, and numerous American presidents. But who is responsible for the most popular version of the Bible? And did they have any idea how influential their work would be?

    Just over four hundred years ago, King James I of England commissioned more than forty translators to produce an accurate vernacular translation of the Greek and Hebrew texts. Those translators divided into ‘companies’ that worked on various sections of the Bible and then reconvened to collate and revise their translations. How they actually translated the Bible has always been shrouded in mystery. According to some fundamentalist Christians, these translators were guided by the Holy Spirit and miraculously agreed on the wording of the text. Biblical scholars and historians, including evangelical Christian scholars, have been pushing back against this view for over a century. But the discovery of new manuscripts in the archives of some of Europe’s oldest libraries is shedding light on how the KJV came to be, with some surprising results.

    Dr. Nicholas Hardy, an early modern scholar at the University of Birmingham, UK, has unearthed new sources that point to the participation of French scholar Isaac Casaubon in the translation of the KJV. Though a prominent scholar in his own day, Casaubon was not previously thought to have been involved in the project at all. But correspondence between Casaubon and John Bois, one of the KJV translators, and Casaubon’s diary in which he records conversations with Andrew Downes (another KJV translator) reveal that that the KJV was not an all-English affair. In fact, Casaubon was hardly proficient in English. As Hardy writes in an article, Casaubon’s diary reveals that he struggled to follow English language sermons in church. The British like to think of the KJV as an all-English production that is closely tied in the cultural imagination to national identity, but actually, as Hardy told me, “England was a massive net importer of biblical scholarship in this period, and that situation wouldn’t change for at least a half-century.” It might be the King James Bible, but it was put together with the help of one of France’s greatest minds.

    But the discoveries of this correspondence, together with Hardy’s discovery of a copy of the Old Testament that was heavily annotated by Bois, can tell us a great deal about the kinds of philological and interpretive issues faced by the KJV’s translators.

    In trying to produce accurate translations that made sense of the Greek, Bois and Causaubon used methods that today would be called “historical-critical.” They struggled with inconsistencies in the chronology of books of the Hebrew Bible and used Greek literature to deduce the meaning and function of passages of the Bible. In their correspondence Bois points to an article Causabon had written on riddles in Greek literature as a parallel to a passage in the Old Testament apocrypha (a part of the King James Version people often don’t know exists). That they are using historical methodologies is stunning; not only because we tend to associate these techniques with the Enlightenment period and the rise of science, but also because, today, conservative fundamentalists consider these methods to be an attack on the Bible itself.

    When I asked Hardy, who is working on a book for Princeton University Press on the subject, what this means for Bois’s views of the status of the canonical Bible, he said that “a number of the translators, including Bois and Casaubon, did not hold extreme doctrines of inerrancy or verbal inspiration that prevented them from applying these methods not just to the Apocrypha but also to the OT and NT.” Their views anticipate and parallel those of many scholars working in biblical studies today, but they do not match up with those who use their Bible as the inerrant word of God and think “that orthodox views of Scripture and historical criticism are incompatible.”
    Contrary to the mythology that persists among some “King-James-Only” Christians today, far from producing identical texts, the translators of the KJV disagreed with one another and wrestled with textual issues all the way into the final stages of revising the King James Version. The correspondence between Bois and Casaubon dates to late 1610 or possibly early 1611, the same year that the KJV started to be printed , a period in which we might expect them to be copyediting. The process in general, Hardy told The Daily Beast, was much more confused than is usually thought: “people were drafted in very late in the process, they disagreed with each other a lot and reached awkward compromise solutions.” All of the confusion is one of the reasons that the KJV was revised so many times. The modern version is based on the 1769 revision.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
    The KJV is a favorite version of many because of the beautiful prose. But it is not the literal translation that all the translators agreed upon. There were many disagreements right up to the very end. Read the following article to see about the method used to translate the KJV. Also those who claim the KJV is the ONLY accurate version should remember that it was the work of a government that was led by a Roman Catholic King. Plus the fact that it has been revised several times.

    I do not put my trust in translations, but in the Author of the original Hebrew and Greek. The Lord is able to lead and guide us to truth if we seek the truth. He can use any translation to lead us. Read the one He leads you to use.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/bible-...thod-they-hate
    That's a great article! I did have a question. When the article said, "the inerrant word of God", is that like how people suppose a meaning on a passage that's not really there, like the young earthers?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by redsoxmaloney View Post

      That's a great article! I did have a question. When the article said, "the inerrant word of God", is that like how people suppose a meaning on a passage that's not really there, like the young earthers?
      I think what those that say that mean, is that The KJV is from God directly and has no errors.

      BUT it has been revised several times, and so there were mistakes found. Also some translations will say yes, where another translation says no. They claim the opposite and both can not be correct. The original Hebrew and Greek are the Holy Scriptures and the translations are not. I am, thankful for them all, but need to refer to the original Hebrew or Greek when questions arise. We are not to follow The Book, but we look in the Book to get to know The Author and then follow Him.

      No translation is complete and therefore can not be "the inerrant word of God". The Hebrew and Greek are the only two major languages where the same characters are used as letters and numbers. This is not a coincidence. Ivan Panin was an atheist who set out to prove the Bible was not from God. He had already discovered that nature is full of math patterns. In fact he could not find anything in nature that was not full of math patterns. He brilliantly reasoned that if the world and the Bible were both from the same source ( God) that they would both be full of math patterns.

      So he set out so see if the Bible had any math patterns. He was not long in finding it was full of math patterns. He could not find one passage that did not have math patterns in it. He was a brilliant world famous mathematician and seen that this could not be a coincidence. He could not find any other work of man that had these math patterns in it.

      Panin concluded that the chance of the Bible not being written by God was less than one chance in the number of atoms in the universe. He became a Christian through his work. The "KJV only" people rejected his work because it revealed that the KJV was not complete and perfect. They hung onto their doctrine rather than accept the truth.

      The translations are not In Hebrew and Greek so do not have these math patterns in them. So none of them are complete. They all lose part of the message God has given us.

      God is the inventor of all math. God invented calculus, and not men. Isaac Newton ( the inventor of calculus according to men ) even said that God revealed it to him. There is no better teacher than The Holy Spirit. Many claim to be well taught by studying The Bible for decades and sitting under many men. But those who sit under the Holy Spirit have a far superior teacher than even all of mankind.

      The Holy Spirit revealed how to do calculus to me years ago. I used it daily on my job doing stress calculations. So when I was given a paid opportunity to go back to YSU, I did so. They told me I had to take the math placement test to see what math I knew. I got 48 problems out of 50 correct and the woman who ran the test told me that was the highest score anyone had got in the 14 years she had been there.

      So I say again, The Holy Spirit is the very best teacher, by far, that exists.

      The disciples of Jesus caught 153 fish when they tossed their net on the other side of the boat, even though they had fished all night and caught nothing. Nothing happens because of coincidence. If one adds the letters that spell FISH in Greek as numbers, they add up to 153. That passage is full of phrases that add up to 153 in the Greek.

      The Holy Spirit is the very best teacher, and no man or group of men compare to Him.

      God and one man are a majority against the whole world.

      I believe that the original Hebrew and Greek contain the life story of every person who has followed God. If one knew the correct math function to apply to the content it would spit out a whole another book. So every person has their own math function and only God knows that function. So The Bible contains as many books as there are people that have followed Him. So if you follow Christ, you are not only in the Book, you have your own book.

      So not only is there The Book of Isaiah, and the Book of Daniel, and The Book of Jeremiah, there is a book with your name on it if you follow Christ.

      John was inspired by The Holy Spirit when he wrote this in John 21:

      25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
      Last edited by Lou Newton; May 1, 2018, 11:49 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post

        I think what those that say that mean, is that The KJV is from God directly and has no errors.

        BUT it has been revised several times, and so there were mistakes found. Also some translations will say yes, where another translation says no. They claim the opposite and both can not be correct. The original Hebrew and Greek are the Holy Scriptures and the translations are not. I am, thankful for them all, but need to refer to the original Hebrew or Greek when questions arise. We are not to follow The Book, but we look in the Book to get to know The Author and then follow Him.

        No translation is complete and therefore can not be "the inerrant word of God". The Hebrew and Greek are the only two major languages where the same characters are used as letters and numbers. This is not a coincidence. Ivan Panin was an atheists who set out to prove the Bible was not from God. He had already discovered that nature is full of math patterns. In fact he could not find anything in nature that was not full of math patterns. He brilliantly reasoned that if the world and the Bible were both from the same source ( God) that they would both be full of math patterns.

        So he set out so see if the Bible had any math patterns. He was not long in finding it was full of math patterns. He could not find one passage that did not have math patterns in it. He was a brilliant world famous mathematician and seen that this could not be a coincidence. He could not find any other work of man that had these math patterns in it.

        Panin concluded that the chance of the Bible not being written by God was less than one chance in the number of atoms in the universe. He became a Christian through his work. The "KJV only" people rejected his work because it revealed that the KJV was not complete and perfect. They hung onto their doctrine rather than accept the truth.

        The translations are not In Hebrew and Greek so do not have these math patterns in them. So none of them are complete. They all lose part of the message God has given us.

        God is the inventor of all math. God invented calculus, and not men. Isaac Newton ( the inventor of calculus according to men ) even said that God revealed it to him. There is no better teacher than The Holy Spirit. Many claim to be well taught by studying The Bible for decades and sitting under many men. But those who sit under the Holy Spirit have a far superior teacher than even all of mankind.

        The Holy Spirit revealed how to do calculus to me years ago. I used it daily on my job doing stress calculations. So when I was given a paid opportunity to go back to YSU, I did so. They told me I had to take the math placement test to see what math I knew. I got 48 problems out of 50 correct and the woman who ran the test told me that was the highest score anyone had got in the 14 years she had been there.

        So I say again, The Holy Spirit is the very best teacher, by far, that exists.

        The disciples of Jesus caught 153 fish when they tossed their net on the other side of the boat, even though they had fished all night and caught nothing. Nothing happens because of coincidence. If one adds the letters that spell FISH in Greek as numbers, they add up to 153. That passage is full of phrases that add up to 153 in the Greek.

        The Holy Spirit is the very best teacher, and no man or group of men compare to Him.

        God and one man are a majority against the whole world.

        I believe that the original Hebrew and Greek contain the life story of every person who has followed God. If one knew the correct math function to apply to the content it would spit out a whole another book. So every person has their own math function and only God knows that function. So The Bible contains as many books as there are people that have followed Him. So if you follow Christ, you are not only in the Book, you have your own book.

        So not only is there The Book of Isaiah, and the Book of Daniel, and The Book of Jeremiah, there is a book with your name on it if you follow Christ.

        John was inspired by The Holy Spirit when he wrote this in John 21:
        Wow! That's the word of God come alive for me! That's what one of those things in John is referring to! It's all of the other names who are in the book of life! Just saw it! Amen!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by redsoxmaloney View Post

          Wow! That's the word of God come alive for me! That's what one of those things in John is referring to! It's all of the other names who are in the book of life! Just saw it! Amen!
          Thanks for the reply Tom.

          To show everyone who against the odds to have those math patterns in a passage, I will take one chapter and go over it in detail:

          Panin added up all the Greek letters in the 1st chapter of Matthew and found that the total added up to a number that was exactly divisible by 7. Well he realized there was one chance in seven for that to be true. So then he added up all the letters of all the male names and that total was exactly divisible by seven. Now that is one chance in 7 x 7, or one chance in 49 of happening. But then he added up all the female names and found they all added to a number advisable by 7 exactly. Then he added up all the letters of all the nouns, and then all the verbs, and than added the letters of every part of speech. He found ( I think 14 different things to add the letters) and they all added to a total that was EXACTLY advisable by 7.

          Well the chance of that taking place in 7 to the 14 power. That equals 67,822,307,280 - or one chance in 67 BILLION.

          BUT Panin found the same in every chapter of The Bible. Remember this is in the original Hebrew and Greek only. The odds became as remote as one chance in the number of atoms in the universe. Panin realized that was simply impossible. He realized that the Bible was from the same person who created everything that exists and that He was the God of the Bible.

          A team of many mathematicians checked the 43,000 page document that Panin submitted showing all these math patterns in the Bible. They found his work to be very accurate. Remember this was before calculators.

          Like all truth though, very few people accepted his work and few spread this good news to others.

          Panin wrote about 12 different books and pamphlets about this discovery of his. I found a man who had them all for sale in Canada and sent away for them. They are a very interesting read to say the least.

          Anyone who knows math and will study his work will be unable to deny that The Bible is from The Creator of everything that exists.
          Last edited by Lou Newton; May 1, 2018, 12:18 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post

            Thanks for the reply Tom.

            To show everyone who against the odds to have those math patterns in a passage, I will take one chapter and go over it in detail:

            Panin added up all the Greek letters in the 1st chapter of Matthew and found that the total added up to a number that was exactly divisible by 7. Well he realized there was one chance in seven for that to be true. So then he added up all the letters of all the male names and that total was exactly divisible by seven. Now that is one chance in 7 x 7, or one chance in 49 of happening. But then he added up all the female names and found they all added to a number advisable by 7 exactly. Then he added up all the letters of all the nouns, and then all the verbs, and than added the letters of every part of speech. He found ( I think 14 different things to add the letters) and they all added to a total that was EXACTLY advisable by 7.

            Well the chance of that taking place in 7 to the 14 power. That equals 67,822,307,280 - or one chance in 67 BILLION.

            BUT Panin found the same in every chapter of The Bible. Remember this is in the original Hebrew and Greek only. The odds became as remote as one chance in the number of atoms in the universe. Panin realized that was simply impossible. He realized that the Bible was from the same person who created everything that exists and that He was the God of the Bible.

            A team of many mathematicians checked the 43,000 page document that Panin submitted showing all these math patterns in the Bible. They found his work to be very accurate. Remember this was before calculators.

            Like all truth though, very few people accepted his work and few spread this good news to others.

            Panin wrote about 12 different books and pamphlets about this discovery of his. I found a man who had them all for sale in Canada and sent away for them. They are a very interesting read to say the least.

            Anyone who knows math and will study his work will be unable to deny that The Bible is from The Creator of everything that exists.
            It's a shame that this information isn't more widespread or known. It really sounds like the professing church got offended, and tried to bury it so it wouldn't be found. That's why God says do not have any other Gods but me. When we idolize something other than Jesus, we can't see the truth anymore.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by redsoxmaloney View Post

              It's a shame that this information isn't more widespread or known. It really sounds like the professing church got offended, and tried to bury it so it wouldn't be found. That's why God says do not have any other Gods but me. When we idolize something other than Jesus, we can't see the truth anymore.
              Thanks for your reply Tom.

              The Bible is from God and we should be very thankful for it. We should also read it daily and seek to hear from The Lord Jesus while we read.

              But The Bible is part of His creation and it is not our Creator. The Sun is part of His creation and we should be very thankful for the Sun. It is our only significant source of natural light. There would be no natural life of the earth without the Sun. But the Sun is part of the creation and not our Creator. We are not to make the mistake that many have made and look to the sun as our guide. The Sun can not save us and in fact is not alive and can not communicate with us. It would be foolish to look to the Sun as our source of real life. For God created The Sun and there would be no Sun without God.

              God is the source of the Sun and the source of everything that exists. We should look to Him for guidance and salvation, not the Sun as some have. Even today many look to the cosmos as our source of life, when God created the cosmos. The cosmos can not create itself and so can not be the source of life. The cosmos had a beginning and so also had to have a Beginner. Anything that had a beginning can not be a source, for it did not always exist.

              God has always existed and He has no beginning and no end. He is the source of everything that exists. He alone is the One we should look too for guidance and salvation.

              Adam, Able, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses had no Bible to look to, so they looked to God alone.

              God gave men the 10 Commandments so that they would no stray too far from Him. The 10 Commandments could not lead them, or save them. They were not alive and were only marks on stone tablets. Stone had no blood to pay for their sins.

              The 10 Commandments were the start of the Bible and God gave Moses and the prophets the rest of it over many years. But The Bible is only ink on paper and has no blood to pay for our sins. The Bible is not alive and can not speak to us or teach us the meaning of the words written in it.

              Jesus is LIFE and there is no life without Him. He is the source of all life. He has no beginning and no end. The One and Only God came down from heaven and was born of a woman to become a man of flesh so He could pay for our sin with His blood. He gives His Holy Spirit to all who give their life to Him. His Holy Spirit is alive and can teach us the meaning of the words written down in the Bible. The Bible is part of His creation. He alone is the Creator.

              The Bible is ink on paper and has no blood to pay for our sin. It is not alive, but The Holy Spirit, who is alive, can speak to us when we read it. The Life does not come from The Bible, but from The Holy Spirit of The Lord Jesus.

              Proof that The Bible can not lead men is the fact that different groups of men have read The Bible and disagree about the meaning of the words to the point that they hate one another over their disagreements. They looked to The Book and it could not lead them to Truth.

              Jesus is The Truth and only He can lead men to the Truth. We should look IN the Book to hear from Jesus. We should not look TOO the book as our guide. But Jesus is our Guide and Savior.

              The Pharisees LOOKED TOO THE BOOK, instead of looking to God. When God appeared right before their eyes they did not recognize the very God they CLAIMED to worship. They had Jesus crucified on a tree instead.

              Jesus pointed out their mistake, but few of them listened:

              John 5
              36 “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish—the very works that I am doing—testify that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
              Last edited by Lou Newton; May 2, 2018, 09:51 AM.

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