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**Lou Newton** · December 19, 2014, 10:32 AM

Where was the garden of Eden ?

Well Jesus is not hidden within the text here, but it is the first time He appeared the men. How do I now this was the first time, well Adam was the first man:

Gen 2

15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." 18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." 19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. 23 The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, ' for she was taken out of man." 24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. 25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

When it says the Lord God commanded the man; I think the Lord appeared to Adam and told him this.

I have reasons to think this:

Gen 3

. 8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?" 10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid." 11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?" 12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it." 13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." 14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." 16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." 17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." 20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living. 21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

We see here that The Lord God walked in the garden with Adam in the cool of the evening. It implies that The Lord did this often, maybe everyday. The Lord Jesus desired to be close to the man He created. Just as we desire to be close to our children.

The Lord Jesus was walking physically in the garden with Adam. How do we know this. Because Adam heard the sound of Him walking in the garden.

So someone might ask; where did The Lord Live to be close to Adam ?

Well we are told in the Holy the Holy Scriptures where Jesus lived.

Psalm 48
1 Great is the LORD, and most worthy of praise, in the city of our God, his holy mountain. 2 It is beautiful in its loftiness, the joy of the whole earth. Like the utmost heights of Zaphon is Mount Zion, the city of the Great King. 3 God is in her citadels; he has shown himself to be her fortress. 4 When the kings joined forces, when they advanced together, 5 they saw [her] and were astounded; they fled in terror. 6 Trembling seized them there, pain like that of a woman in labor. 7 You destroyed them like ships of Tarshish shattered by an east wind. 8 As we have heard, so have we seen in the city of the LORD Almighty, in the city of our God: God makes her secure forever. "Selah" 9 Within your temple, O God, we meditate on your unfailing love. 10 Like your name, O God, your praise reaches to the ends of the earth; your right hand is filled with righteousness. 11 Mount Zion rejoices, the villages of Judah are glad because of your judgments. 12 Walk about Zion, go around her, count her towers, 13 consider well her ramparts, view her citadels, that you may tell of them to the next generation. 14 For this God is our God for ever and ever; he will be our guide even to the end.

We see here that Jerusalem ( Mount Zion) is the city of The Great King. It also tells us who this Great King is, it is The Lord Jesus. There is no other Great King than Jesus.

How did the writer know that Jerusalem was the City of The Great King ?

Matthew 5
33 "Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' 34 But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

Well Jesus Himself tells us that Jerusalem is the City of the great King. Now many men may call themselves great, but men are all liars. Jesus can not lie. There is One and Only One King who is Great, that is The Lord Jesus Himself.

Malachi 1
�When you bring injured, lame or diseased animals and offer them as sacrifices, should I accept them from your hands?� says the Lord. 14 �Cursed is the cheat who has an acceptable male in his flock and vows to give it, but then sacrifices a blemished animal to the Lord. For I am a great king,� says the Lord Almighty, �and my name is to be feared among the nations.

If anyone had any doubt, God makes it perfectly clear here in Malachi.

So why is Jerusalem called the city of the Great King ?

Because The Lord Jesus lived there.

Genesis 14
17 After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer and the kings allied with him, the king of Sodom came out to meet him in the Valley of Shaveh (that is, the King's Valley). 18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, 19 and he blessed Abram, saying, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. 20 And blessed be God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand." Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything

Melchizedek ( which means King of Righteousness) was King of Salem (Prince of Peace).

There is One and Only One who is King of Righteousness, that is The Lord Jesus.

But one can go here to read more about this:

http://www.fortressoftruth.com/forums/showthread.php?89-Was-Melchizedek-God-himself&highlight=melchizedek

One may ask, so where was the garden of Eden ?

Well if Jesus lived in Jerusalem and he desired to be close to Adam, the garden would have been close to Jerusalem.

God banned Adam from the garden with a flaming sword.

The men who settled Sodom were total rebels from the Lord. They would pay no attention to the fact that God had banned men from living there.

What took place in Sodom. Fire and brimstone came from the sky. Or a volcano erupted and destroyed the whole plain.

That would be a flaming sword, would it not.

Also notice why Lot chose to live in that plain, the grass there was greener than anywhere around there.

Still today the produce grown near the dead sea grows faster and bigger and sweeter than anywhere known to man. They get twice the price for produce grown near the dead sea.

It seems to me that the garden of Eden was where the dead sea is now. Certainly no one can eat from the tree of life that was there in that garden.

The great rift goes through the dead sea. It is the biggest gash in the earth known to man. You can see it from space. Some very large event took place there long ago. Could that be when The Lord banned Adam from the garden with the flaming sword. It is now the lowest place of the face of the earth.

Notice Abraham would not go near the place. When Lot chose the dead sea plain, Abraham went the opposite direction. He was the elder and could have chosen it, but did not. There is no record of Abraham ever living there and it had the greenest grass for his animals.

The Dead Sea is very close to Jerusalem.

Grace to you
Lou Newton

**Lou Newton** · December 19, 2014, 01:37 PM

I forgot to mention one of the most important examples of The Lord Jesus appearing to Adam.

Gen 3

. 8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?" 10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid." 11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?" 12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it." 13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." 14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." 16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." 17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." 20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living. 21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Now if The Lord Jesus made garments of skin from animals, then he did not do that in the Spirit, but he appeared to them in the physical.

1 - Jesus had to shed the blood of animal to get it's skin. - Who covered Adam - The Lord Jesus - just as he covers us today with His blood.

2 -Blood had to be shed for Adam's sin - something innocent has to die for us to have life - We have to kill to eat - vegans are lying to themselves - they can not eat dirt or rocks - they have to kill to eat - plants are alive just as animals are. Jesus is innocent of any sin - yet he had to die for us to have life - Jesus killed the innocent animal as a shadow of His death on the cross.

Hopefully Adam, Eve and Abel all felt sorry for the innocent animal that had to die for their sin to be forgiven. This is why is was good for men to hunt or raise animals for food. When the men had to kill the animal for them to have life, it was an opportunity for them to sorrow over the fact that something innocent had to die for them to have life. Also they could give thanks for the animal that gave them life by it's flesh.

So this is when Jesus told them that they had to make a blood sacrifice for their sin. Now that they knew good from evil, they knew what sin was. If they knew they were doing wrong, then they had to make a blood sacrifice for their sin.

The blood of the animal could not pay for sin. It was just to cause the one making the sacrifice to sorrow over their sin.

It was the blood of Jesus that paid for their sin, just as His blood pays for our sin.

Rev 13: 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world

Grace to you
Lou Newton

**Lou Newton** · December 19, 2014, 02:01 PM

Gen 4
Cain and Abel
1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man." 2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel. Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the LORD. 4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast. 6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it." 8 Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him. 9 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?" 10 The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. 11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth." 13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me." 15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

Was Cain some really spiritual person that heard the Lord in the spirit. If he was why did he then murder his own brother.

I think Cain could hear the Lord, because The Lord Jesus spoke to Cain in the natural.

How did Abel know to offer a blood sacrifice for his sin ? He did not have scriptures to read. I think The Lord Jesus told them to do this when he made garments out of animal skins to cover Adam and Eve.

If Abel knew this, so did Cain. Cain decided to do it "My Way". Who knows maybe he sang a song about "My Way".

Abel shed the blood of an innocent animal. He confessed and sorrowed over his sin and The Lord Jesus forgave his sin.

Cain brought his gift in pride. He did not confess his sin or sorrow over it. Instead he was proud of his works.

No one can be forgiven by their own works. So Cain was not accepted.

Cain was banned from God's presence as a shadow of how everyone that has not confessed their sin and had it covered by the blood of Jesus will be banished from the presence of God forever.

Cain was offered the opportunity to confess his sin and repent. But he chose not to. He could still have been forgiven if he had obeyed The Lord Jesus. It is never too late to repent if we are given the opportunity to do so.

But the Lord still showed mercy on him by putting a mark on Cain so no one would kill him.

WHAT WAS THAT MARK - HOW DID IT STOP ANYONE FROM KILLING CAIN - WHO EXISTED THAT COULD KILL CAIN ?

These are all mysteries that someone can seek The Lord about.

Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden

It seems that lands in the Bible were named after the ones who lived there. Who was NOD ?

All we know that the land of Nod was east of Eden.

Asking questions of The Lord is the key to getting the answers to them. Revelations from The Lord come often from asking questions of Him.

Grace to you
Lou Newton

**Blane** · December 19, 2014, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Lou Newton

Asking questions of The Lord is the key to getting the answers to them. Revelations from The Lord come often from asking questions of Him.

I'm becoming a big believer in this, Lou. This truth is also confirmed in scripture, "Ye have not because ye ask not."

blessings,

Blane

**Baruch** · December 19, 2014, 11:20 PM

Excellent adventures, Lou. Filling in the blanks like that makes the ancient days come alive. Sin and animal sacrifice and skin coverings, how else could our ancestors have known about these if the Lord hadn't told them and shown them? He was and is an interactive Lord.

Here is a tidbit. Nod means vagrancy.

Thanks for starting this one, Blane. I will try and think of some.

**Lou Newton** · December 20, 2014, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by Baruch View Post

Excellent adventures, Lou. Filling in the blanks like that makes the ancient days come alive. Sin and animal sacrifice and skin coverings, how else could our ancestors have known about these if the Lord hadn't told them and shown them? He was and is an interactive Lord.

Here is a tidbit. Nod means vagrancy.

Thanks for starting this one, Blane. I will try and think of some.

Thanks for the reply Barry. You are right about Nod, one could also say "wanderer" for Nod.

But Cain built a city and that would mean that he did not wander long.

Also Cain married someone and then built this city. Who existed to marry and who existed to build a city with ?

But the real message is that Jesus personally walked and talked with people.

Lou

**Steve Hollander** · December 20, 2014, 06:07 AM

I never saw all that in those verses. Thanks for showing us that Lou.
Cain was banished from the presence of the LORD as all who fail to confess their sins will be driven from the presence of the LORD . I didn't see that.
I think I remember reading in the apocrypha that Cain was supposed to marry Able's sister and Able was supposed to marry Cain's sister. Now Cain's sister was beautiful and Able's sister was not. So Cain wanted to marry his own beautiful sister and after his parents arranged Able to marry her that also helped Cain decide to kill Able.
This is a lot of fun to study Lou thanks again brother and thanks to Blane for starting the thread. ..... Steve

**Lou Newton** · December 20, 2014, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by Steve Hollander View Post

I never saw all that in those verses. Thanks for showing us that Lou.
Cain was banished from the presence of the LORD as all who fail to confess their sins will be driven from the presence of the LORD . I didn't see that.
I think I remember reading in the apocrypha that Cain was supposed to marry Able's sister and Able was supposed to marry Cain's sister. Now Cain's sister was beautiful and Able's sister was not. So Cain wanted to marry his own beautiful sister and after his parents arranged Able to marry her that also helped Cain decide to kill Able.
This is a lot of fun to study Lou thanks again brother and thanks to Blane for starting the thread. ..... Steve

Thanks for the reply Steve.

Many people wonder how Paul got all his revelations from The Holy Spirit. He got them from the Old Testament.

The Old Testament shows us the New Testament and the New Testament just explains the Old.

Jesus never changes.

Lou

**Steve Hollander** · December 20, 2014, 10:44 AM

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AMEN Lou

**Baruch** · December 20, 2014, 02:02 PM

Christ and the Church in the garden

Christ and the Church in the garden

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

This is a natural picture of Jesus and the Church in the age of the New Covenant.

Image, Dominion, Authority

Php 2:6(a) Who, being in the form of God,

Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Mankind is made in the image of God, having the authority over creation in the natural, to subdue it.

Jesus is the embodiment of God, and is given authority over all things, and to subdue (conquer).

Head, Firstborn, Preeminence

Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Adam was the head of the garden, and all its creatures. He is the firstborn of the flesh. He had the preeminence in the garden, and fell, and lost it.

Jesus is the head of the Church whose members are new creatures in Christ. He is the firstborn of the Spirit. He made Himself nothing, and ascended, and gained the preeminence in all things.

God's Blessing of Procreation

Gen 1:28(a) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

It is said by ancient language scholars that the meaning of "replenish" has changed over time. It used to mean "fill". Over time is has changed to mean "refill". Mankind is blessed and commanded to be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth.

Likewise, the nations are blessed in Jesus Christ. And it is clear from our previous studies the stars of heaven represent the children of Abraham's faith, which is to say those of all ages who are in Christ. And likewise, the Church is commanded to take the Gospel to every creature: to be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth.

A New Thing

Isa 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

Jehovah has been telling us about this new thing from the beginning. It is the golden thread woven throughout Scripture.

God apparently had the new thing in mind when writing the story of His garden in Eden, that He planned to redeem and restore His creation even before it was fallen and corrupted.

**Baruch** · December 25, 2014, 02:45 PM

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

Seth

H8352
שֵׁת
shêth
shayth
From H7896; put, that is, substituted; Sheth, third son of Adam: - Seth, Sheth.
Total KJV occurrences: 9

God appointed another seed instead of Abel.

Abel

H1893
הֶבֶל
hebel
heh'-bel
The same as H1892; Hebel, the son of Adam: - Abel.

H1892
הֲבֵל הֶבֶל
hebel hăbêl
heh'-bel, hab-ale'
From H1891; emptiness or vanity; figuratively something transitory and unsatisfactory; often used as an adverb: - X altogether, vain, vanity.

**Baruch** · December 25, 2014, 03:29 PM

John 9:6-7

Joh 9:6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay, 7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

Jesus, the light of men, was right there, casting this remarkable shadow of Himself.

Jesus could have healed this man without the elaborate gesture. Instead he sent the man blind, with mud caked on his eyes, to "Siloam" or "Shiloh", an epithet of the Messiah (which is by interpretation Sent, or "apostello"). The man obeyed, and Messiah washed away the layers of soil that was accumulated from the world, and gave sight to him who was darkened from birth. Then the light was let in, and the man saw clearly.

**Blane** · December 25, 2014, 11:32 PM

Taking a closer look

Originally posted by Lou Newton

We see here that The Lord God walked in the garden with Adam in the cool of the evening. It implies that The Lord did this often, maybe everyday. The Lord Jesus desired to be close to the man He created. Just as we desire to be close to our children.

The Lord Jesus was walking physically in the garden with Adam. How do we know this. Because Adam heard the sound of Him walking in the garden.

Thanks Lou, Steve, and Baruch for your posts. This is a topic worthy of spending some time exploring.

Lou, for years I glossed over this passage, making careless assumptions. Namely, I never really considered that Adam could see God with his physical eyes, or hear his voice with his physical ears. I must have assumed that Adam had the ability to see and hear into the spirit realm before the fall. I'm not sure. Maybe I just never read it closely enough. That is, I never acknowledged that Adam actually heard God walking in the garden. As in, heard God walking with the same physical ears that you and I use everyday. I don't know. But there it is, right there in the passage. It's funny how much you can miss in the scriptures when you read them with preconceived beliefs.

Blane

**Lou Newton** · December 26, 2014, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by Blane View Post

Thanks Lou, Steve, and Baruch for your posts. This is a topic worthy of spending some time exploring.

Lou, for years I glossed over this passage, making careless assumptions. Namely, I never really considered that Adam could see God with his physical eyes, or hear his voice with his physical ears. I must have assumed that Adam had the ability to see and hear into the spirit realm before the fall. I'm not sure. Maybe I just never read it closely enough. That is, I never acknowledged that Adam actually heard God walking in the garden. As in, heard God walking with the same physical ears that you and I use everyday. I don't know. But there it is, right there in the passage. It's funny how much you can miss in the scriptures when you read them with preconceived beliefs.

Blane

It's funny how much you can miss in the scriptures when you read them with preconceived beliefs.

How true that is Blane......................even though Jesus constantly warned us about following the traditions of men instead of the Words of God, we still follow the traditions of men.............that is what gives us most of these preconceived ideas.................sometimes it is our own assumptions instead...............Lou

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