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  • Isaiah 63

    I was just reading this a few minutes ago and found this about The Angel of The Lord, and also about God's Holy Spirit being set among His people.

    I found the whole chapter very interesting. But we can see here that The Lord makes it very clear in this chapter that there is The Angel of His presence spoke of here and it is The Lord Himself speaking.


    Isaiah 63 NIV 1985

    God's Day of Vengeance and Redemption

    1 Who is this coming from Edom, from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson?Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the greatness of his strength? "It is I, speaking in righteousness, mighty to save."
    2 Why are your garments red, like those of one treading the winepress?
    3 "I have trodden the winepress alone; from the nations no one was with me. I trampled them in my anger and trod them down in my wrath; their blood spattered my garments, and I stained all my clothing.
    4For the day of vengeance was in my heart, and the year of my redemption has come.
    5 I looked, but there was no one to help, I was appalled that no one gave support; so my own arm worked salvation for me, and my own wrath sustained me.
    6 I trampled the nations in my anger; in my wrath I made them drunk and poured their blood on the ground."
    Praise and Prayer

    7 I will tell of the kindnesses of the LORD, the deeds for which he is to be praised, according to all the LORD has done for us-- yes, the many good things he has done for the house of Israel, according to his compassion and many kindnesses.
    8He said, "Surely they are my people, sons who will not be false to me"; and so he became their Savior.
    9 In all their distress he too was distressed, and the angel of his presence saved them. In his love and mercy he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.
    10 Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them.
    11 Then his people recalled the days of old, the days of Moses and his people-- where is he who brought them through the sea, with the shepherd of his flock?Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them,
    12 who sent his glorious arm of power to be at Moses' right hand, who divided the waters before them, to gain for himself everlasting renown,
    13 who led them through the depths? Like a horse in open country, they did not stumble;
    14 like cattle that go down to the plain, they were given rest by the Spirit of the LORD. This is how you guided your people to make for yourself a glorious name.
    15 Look down from heaven and see from your lofty throne, holy and glorious. Where are your zeal and your might? Your tenderness and compassion are withheld from us.
    16 But you are our Father,though Abraham does not know us or Israel acknowledge us; you, O LORD, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name.
    17 Why, O LORD, do you make us wander from your ways and harden our hearts so we do not revere you? Return for the sake of your servants, the tribes that are your inheritance.
    18 For a little while your people possessed your holy place, but now our enemies have trampled down your sanctuary.
    19 We are yours from of old; but you have not ruled over them, they have not been called by your name.

    Someone may ask, why is this important ? It is very important for us to see that The Lord does not send someone else besides Him to save us, but he saves us Himself personally. To say otherwise is just Satan's subtle whisper trying to convince us that Jesus The Christ is not The One and Only God Almighty.

    So what are some of your thoughts and comments about this ?

    Grace to you
    Lou Newton
    Last edited by Lou Newton; May 4, 2015, 03:48 AM.

  • #2
    Isaiah 63:9

    Here are all of the English translations of that verse that I could find:

    Isaiah 63:9 (KJ21)
    9 In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the angel of His presence saved them; in His love and in His pity He redeemed them, and He bore them, and carried them all the days of old.


    Isaiah 63:9 (ASV) |
    9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

    Isaiah 63:9 (AMP)
    |

    9 In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the Angel of His presence saved them; in His love and in His pity He redeemed them; and He lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.

    Isaiah 63:9 (BRG) |
    9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

    Isaiah 63:9 (CEB) |
    9 During all their distress, God also was distressed,
    so a messenger who served him saved them.
    In love and mercy God redeemed them,
    lifting and carrying them throughout earlier times.


    Isaiah 63:9 (CJB) |
    9 In all their troubles he was troubled;
    then the Angel of His Presence saved them;
    in his love and pity he redeemed them.


    He had lifted them up and carried them
    throughout the days of old.



    Isaiah 63:9 (CEV) |
    9 It troubled the Lord
    to see them in trouble,
    and his angel saved them.
    The Lord was truly merciful,
    so he rescued his people.
    He took them in his arms
    and carried them all those years.



    Isaiah 63:9 (DARBY) |
    9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the Angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bore them and carried them all the days of old.

    Isaiah 63:9 (DRA)
    9 In all their affliction he was not troubled, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love, and in his mercy he redeemed them, and he carried them and lifted them up all the days of old.

    Isaiah 63:9 (ERV) |
    9 The people had many troubles,
    but he was not against them.
    He loved them and felt sorry for them,
    so he saved them.
    He sent his special angel to save them.
    He picked them up and carried them, just as he did long ago.


    Isaiah 63:9 (ESV) |
    9 In all their affliction he was afflicted,
    and the angel of his presence saved them;
    in his love and in his pity he redeemed them;
    he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.



    Isaiah 63:9 (ESVUK) |
    9 In all their affliction he was afflicted,
    and the angel of his presence saved them;
    in his love and in his pity he redeemed them;
    he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.


    Isaiah 63:9 (EXB) |
    9 When they �suffered [were distressed/afflicted], he �suffered [was distressed/afflicted] also.
    He sent his own angel to save them [L The angel/messenger of his presence/face saved them; Ex. 14:19].
    Because of his love and kindness, he saved them.
    �Since long ago [L All the days of old] he has �picked [lifted] them up and carried them [Deut. 32:10–12].



    Isaiah 63:9 (GNV) |
    9 In all their troubles he was troubled, and the Angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his mercy he redeemed them, and he bare them and carried them always continually.


    Isaiah 63:9 (GW) |
    9 In all their troubles he was troubled,
    and he was the Messenger who saved them.
    In his love and compassion he reclaimed them.
    He always held them and carried them in the past.



    Isaiah 63:9 (GNT) |
    9 from all their suffering. It was not an angel, but the Lord himself who saved them. In his love and compassion he rescued them. He had always taken care of them in the past,

    Isaiah 63:9 (HCSB) |
    9 In all their suffering, He suffered,
    and the Angel of His Presence saved them.
    He redeemed them
    because of His love and compassion;
    He lifted them up and carried them
    all the days of the past.


    Isaiah 63:9 (ICB) |
    9 When they suffered, he suffered also.
    He sent his own angel to save them.
    Because of his love and kindness, the Lord saved them.
    Since long ago he has picked them up and carried them.



    Isaiah 63:9 (ISV) |
    9 In all their distress he wasn’t distressed,
    but the angel of his presence saved them;
    in his acts of love and in his acts of pity he redeemed them;
    he carried them and lifted them up all the days of old.



    Isaiah 63:9 (JUB) |
    9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the Angel of his face saved them: with his love and with his clemency he redeemed them; and he bore them and carried them all the days of the age.

    Isaiah 63:9 (KJV) |
    9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

    Isaiah 63:9 (AKJV) |
    9 In all their affliction he was afflicted,
    and the angel of his presence saved them:
    in his love and in his pity he redeemed them;
    and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.


    Isaiah 63:9 (LEB) |
    9 In all their distress, there was no distress,
    and the messenger of his presence saved them,
    in his love and compassion he himself redeemed them,
    and he lifted them up,
    and he supported them all the days of old.



    Isaiah 63:9 (TLB) |
    9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and he personally saved them. In his love and pity he redeemed them and lifted them up and carried them through all the years.


    Isaiah 63:7-9 (MSG)
    All the Things God Has Done That Need Praising
    7-9 I’ll make a list of God’s gracious dealings,
    all the things God has done that need praising,
    All the generous bounties of God,
    his great goodness to the family of Israel—
    Compassion lavished,
    love extravagant.
    He said, “Without question these are my people,
    children who would never betray me.”
    So he became their Savior.
    In all their troubles,
    he was troubled, too.
    He didn’t send someone else to help them.
    He did it himself, in person.

    Out of his own love and pity
    he redeemed them.
    He rescued them and carried them along
    for a long, long time.



    Isaiah 63:9 (MEV) |
    9 In all their affliction He was afflicted,
    and the angel of His presence saved them;
    in His love and in His mercy He redeemed them;
    and He lifted them and carried them
    all the days of old.



    Isaiah 63:9 (NOG) |
    9 In all their troubles he was troubled,
    and he was the Messenger who saved them.
    In his love and compassion he reclaimed them.
    He always held them and carried them in the past.


    Isaiah 63:9 (NASB)
    9 In all their affliction He was afflicted,
    And the angel of His presence saved them;
    In His love and in His mercy He redeemed them,
    And He lifted them and carried them all the days of old.


    Isaiah 63:9 (NCV) |
    9 When they suffered, he suffered also.
    He sent his own angel to save them.
    Because of his love and kindness, he saved them.
    Since long ago he has picked them up and carried them.



    Isaiah 63:9 (NET)
    9 Through all that they suffered, he suffered too.
    The messenger sent from his very presence delivered them.
    In his love and mercy he protected them;
    he lifted them up and carried them throughout ancient times.



    Isaiah 63:9 (NIRV)
    9 When they suffered, he suffered with them.
    He sent his angel to save them.
    He set them free because he is loving and kind.
    He lifted them up and carried them.
    He did it again and again in days long ago.



    Isaiah 63:9 (NIV) |
    9 In all their distress he too was distressed,
    and the angel of his presence saved them.
    In his love and mercy he redeemed them;
    he lifted them up and carried them
    all the days of old.



    Isaiah 63:9 (NIVUK) |
    9 In all their distress he too was distressed,
    and the angel of his presence saved them.
    In his love and mercy he redeemed them;
    he lifted them up and carried them
    all the days of old.



    Isaiah 63:9 (NKJV) |
    9 In all their affliction He was afflicted,
    And the Angel of His Presence saved them;
    In His love and in His pity He redeemed them;
    And He bore them and carried them
    All the days of old.


    Isaiah 63:9 (NLV) |
    9 He suffered with them in all their troubles, and the angel of the Lord saved them. In His loving-kindness He paid the price and made them free. He lifted them up and carried them all the days of long ago.


    Isaiah 63:9 (NLT)
    9 In all their suffering he also suffered,
    and he personally rescued them.
    In his love and mercy he redeemed them.
    He lifted them up and carried them
    through all the years.


    Yeshayah 63:9 (OJB) |
    9 In all their tzoros He was afflicted, and the malach of His presence saved them; in His ahavah and in His mercy He redeemed them; and He lifted them up, and carried them kol y’mei olam.


    Isaiah 63:9 (RSV)
    9 In all their affliction he was afflicted,
    and the angel of his presence saved them;
    in his love and in his pity he redeemed them;
    he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.



    Isaiah 63:9 (RSVCE)
    9 In all their affliction he was afflicted,
    and the angel of his presence saved them;
    in his love and in his pity he redeemed them;
    he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old.



    Isaiah 63:9 (VOICE) |
    9 And when they suffered, God suffered too;
    And the messenger of His presence acted to save them.
    Out of enduring love, compassion, and concern,
    God Himself rescued them. Through all those years long ago,
    God picked them up and carried them through.



    Isaiah 63:9 (WEB) |
    9 In all their affliction he was afflicted,
    and the angel of his presence saved them.
    In his love and in his pity he redeemed them.
    He bore them,
    and carried them all the days of old.



    Isaiah 63:9 (WYC) |
    in all the tribulation of them. It was set in tribulation, and the angel of his face saved them. In his love and in his forgiveness he again-bought them, and he bare them, and raised them in all [the] days of the world. (in all their trials and tribulation. For he was set in tribulation with them, and it was not the angel sent from him, but he himself who saved them. In his love and in his forgiveness he redeemed, or he rescued, them, and he carried them, and he raised them up in all the days of the world.)


    Isaiah 63:9 (YLT)
    9 In all their distress [He is] no adversary, And the messenger of His presence saved them, In His love and in His pity He redeemed them, And He doth lift them up, And beareth them all the days of old.



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    • #3
      Lou, just so you know, I am not ignoring this thread...in fact I have come back to read the Scriptures you posted several times now. But I still don't have anything profound to say here. Yet

      Jules
      You know not what you do because you know not who He is.
      - Paul Washer
      Satan is the angel of knowledge and he does not waste his time on anything for no reason.
      - Lou Newton

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jules View Post
        Lou, just so you know, I am not ignoring this thread...in fact I have come back to read the Scriptures you posted several times now. But I still don't have anything profound to say here. Yet

        Jules
        Julie, this post of yours is profound.

        How many people who walked the earth the same time as Jesus walked the earth spoke to him or asked Him anything. Many millions lived, but very few bothered to seek Him to even speak to Him.

        Every person that did is listed in the gospels and every single story is certainly profound.

        How many asked Jesus some question that maybe even seemed trivial, but there was not one answer that Jesus gave that was not profound.

        But few are the number that Jesus approached and had some profound effect of their life if they did not approach Him in some way.

        Even in OT times, God answered after the people cried out to Him. Not before they did so.

        3 "I have trodden the winepress alone; from the nations no one was with me.

        Jesus is certainly a man of sorrows. Even as he hung on the cross dying for them, few bothered to take notice of what he was doing, or why it was happening to Him.

        Lamentations 1
        12 “Is it nothing to you, all you who pass by?
        Look around and see.
        Is any suffering like my suffering
        that was inflicted on me,
        that the Lord brought on me
        in the day of his fierce anger?

        Most of the ones who did take notice, only shook their head, and said, if he trusts in God, leave God take Him down from that cross.

        Isaiah 53
        1 Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
        2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
        3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
        4 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.
        5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
        6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
        7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
        8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken.
        9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.
        10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
        11 After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light [of life] and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.
        12Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

        Isaiah 66
        1 This is what the LORD says: "Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be?
        2 Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?" declares the LORD. "This is the one I esteem: he who is humble and contrite in spirit, and trembles at my word.
        3 But whoever sacrifices a bull is like one who kills a man, and whoever offers a lamb, like one who breaks a dog's neck; whoever makes a grain offering is like one who presents pig's blood, and whoever burns memorial incense, like one who worships an idol. They have chosen their own ways, and their souls delight in their abominations;
        4 so I also will choose harsh treatment for them and will bring upon them what they dread. For when I called, no one answered, when I spoke, no one listened.

        Considering The Lord Jesus wrote this, how foolish the man who claimed to build a Glass Cathedral for Him.

        Jesus is just looking for one who will listen.

        Grace to you
        Lou Newton


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