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    I have been talking to many Christians who are discouraged right now. I prayed about this and The Lord Jesus spoke to me about Joseph.

    How do you think Joseph felt when his brothers hated him and wanted to kill him and sold him into slavery instead. While he was a slave he was accused of raping his owners wife. Of course he did not rape this man's wife, but she accused him because Joseph ran from her when she offered to have sex with him. So he went to prison for being faithful to the man who was holding him as a slave.

    Joseph had accomplished nothing of "importance" at this point in his life. Yet he sat in prison for some years and must have felt discouraged about his life at this point.

    Genesis 37
    Joseph’s Dreams

    1 Jacob lived in the land where his father had stayed, the land of Canaan.
    2 This is the account of Jacob’s family line. Joseph, a young man of seventeen, was tending the flocks with his brothers, the sons of Bilhah and the sons of Zilpah, his father’s wives, and he brought their father a bad report about them.

    Note: The sons of Rachel’s servant Bilhah were Dan and Naphtali.
    The sons of Leah’s servant Zilpah were Gad and Asher. Now Bilhah is the one that slept with Ruben. Jacob had fathered two of Rubens brothers with this woman.
    Now we know that these four took part in the plot to kill Joseph and we also know that Joseph later refused to dishonor a man who held him as a slave. Certainly many would claim they had reason to have sex with a man's wife who was holding them in slavery. So it would seem to me that Joseph was probably telling the truth about the bad report of these four brothers. We must also remember that Joseph was much younger than the rest of his brothers ( except for Benjamin).


    3 Now Israel loved Joseph more than any of his other sons, because he had been born to him in his old age; and he made an ornate robe for him.
    4 When his brothers saw that their father loved him more than any of them, they hated him and could not speak a kind word to him.
    5 Joseph had a dream, and when he told it to his brothers, they hated him all the more.
    6 He said to them, “Listen to this dream I had:
    7 We were binding sheaves of grain out in the field when suddenly my sheaf rose and stood upright, while your sheaves gathered around mine and bowed down to it.”
    8 His brothers said to him, “Do you intend to reign over us? Will you actually rule us?” And they hated him all the more because of his dream and what he had said.
    9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”
    10 When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?”
    11 His brothers were jealous of him, but his father kept the matter in mind.


    NOTE: it seems like his brothers and even his parents certainly had a right to rebuke or reject Joseph because of these two dreams. BUT THESE DREAMS WERE FROM GOD. They all could have quoted commands of God that told how Joseph should honor his father and his older brothers. But Joseph was not dishonoring them, but only telling of the dream he was given from God. Be very careful who and what you reject. For what if it is from God like these two dreams.

    Joseph Sold by His Brothers

    12 Now his brothers had gone to graze their father’s flocks near Shechem,
    13 and Israel said to Joseph, “As you know, your brothers are grazing the flocks near Shechem. Come, I am going to send you to them.” “Very well,” he replied.

    NOTE: we see that Joseph was sent into slavery by obeying the request of his father, not for being disobedient to his father or God.


    14 So he said to him, “Go and see if all is well with your brothers and with the flocks, and bring word back to me.” Then he sent him off from the Valley of Hebron. When Joseph arrived at Shechem,
    15 a man found him wandering around in the fields and asked him, “What are you looking for?”
    16 He replied, “I’m looking for my brothers. Can you tell me where they are grazing their flocks?”
    17 “They have moved on from here,” the man answered. “I heard them say, ‘Let’s go to Dothan.’ ” So Joseph went after his brothers and found them near Dothan.
    18 But they saw him in the distance, and before he reached them, they plotted to kill him.
    19 “Here comes that dreamer!” they said to each other.
    20 “Come now, let’s kill him and throw him into one of these cisterns and say that a ferocious animal devoured him. Then we’ll see what comes of his dreams.”

    NOTE: we see that his brothers wanted to kill him because of the dreams that were from God. BUT the plots of these brothers could NOT stop the plans of God to save them and their whole family.


    21 When Reuben heard this, he tried to rescue him from their hands. “Let’s not take his life,” he said.
    22 “Don’t shed any blood. Throw him into this cistern here in the wilderness, but don’t lay a hand on him.” Reuben said this to rescue him from them and take him back to his father.

    NOTE: we see Ruben must have regretted having sex with his fathers concubine and is trying to please Jacob by protecting Joseph. He had brought his father enough grief and maybe did not want to bring him any more.


    23 So when Joseph came to his brothers, they stripped him of his robe—the ornate robe he was wearing—
    24 and they took him and threw him into the cistern. The cistern was empty; there was no water in it.
    25 As they sat down to eat their meal, they looked up and saw a caravan of Ishmaelites coming from Gilead. Their camels were loaded with spices, balm and myrrh, and they were on their way to take them down to Egypt.
    26 Judah said to his brothers, “What will we gain if we kill our brother and cover up his blood?
    27 Come, let’s sell him to the Ishmaelites and not lay our hands on him; after all, he is our brother, our own flesh and blood.” His brothers agreed.

    NOTE: nothing is written about his brothers even giving Joseph food as they ate. They sold Joseph to sons of Ishmael. Now Ishmael was a son of Abraham and his son Isaac died only 10 years before Jacob appeared in Egypt. For Jacob told Pharaoh that he was 130 when he appeared before him, and Isaac was 60 when Jacob was born and Isaac was 180 when he died. God used Judah to save Joseph from death this time, just as He used Ruben earlier.


    28 So when the Midianite merchants came by, his brothers pulled Joseph up out of the cistern and sold him for twenty shekels of silver to the Ishmaelites, who took him to Egypt.
    29 When Reuben returned to the cistern and saw that Joseph was not there, he tore his clothes.
    30 He went back to his brothers and said, “The boy isn’t there! Where can I turn now?”
    31 Then they got Joseph’s robe, slaughtered a goat and dipped the robe in the blood.
    32 They took the ornate robe back to their father and said, “We found this. Examine it to see whether it is your son’s robe.”
    33 He recognized it and said, “It is my son’s robe! Some ferocious animal has devoured him. Joseph has surely been torn to pieces.”
    34 Then Jacob tore his clothes, put on sackcloth and mourned for his son many days.
    35 All his sons and daughters came to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted. “No,” he said, “I will continue to mourn until I join my son in the grave.” So his father wept for him.
    36 Meanwhile, the Midianites sold Joseph in Egypt to Potiphar, one of Pharaoh’s officials, the captain of the guard.

    NOTE: His brothers all received less than an ounce of silver each for selling their father's son into slavery. Most of them gave no thought to the grief they would cause their own father. Just as today, most sin, without a thought of the grief they will bring their Father; who came down from heaven and was born of a woman to shed His blood for them. Think of the grief the blood of His only begotton Son would cause Him, just as the sight of the blood on Joseph's robe brought grief to Jacob.

    Lou Newton
    Last edited by Lou Newton; March 25, 2017, 11:51 PM.

  • #2
    Amazing story. I can see the similarities between Joseph and Jesus. Joseph was a foreshadowing of the Lord.

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    • #3
      Thank you, Lou. At a time when news is so down, it is good have have messages that build us up.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Steve Hollander View Post
        Amazing story. I can see the similarities between Joseph and Jesus. Joseph was a foreshadowing of the Lord.
        Thanks for the replies Steve and Barry.


        Amen. Joseph was sacrificed to save his people. Joseph was sent up ahead, just as Jesus was sent to the cross ahead of us so we could take up our cross and follow Him.

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        • #5
          As Joseph advised Pharaoh to store up grain for the coming famine, so does the Lord tells us to store up/hide/treasure His word in our hearts for the same reason.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Baruch View Post
            As Joseph advised Pharaoh to store up grain for the coming famine, so does the Lord tells us to store up/hide/treasure His word in our hearts for the same reason.

            Amen Barry. But if we sow this grain ( treasure of the Word) to the ground (world), there will be a harvest for the Lord of 10 to 100 fold.

            When Joseph became ruler of Egypt and gave out the grain to the people, he bought their land with the grain. So the people gave everything they owned for the treasure. Just as the "treasure" of The Lord costs us everything we have ( our lives).

            The wise people did not consume much of the grain, but sowed the grain to reap a harvest of much more. Just as servants of the Lord do not consume or store up His treasure but sow it to the earth (world) so The Lord can reap a harvest of 10 to 100 fold.

            It seems most today, that consider themselves servants of The Lord, will sell their grain instead of freely sowing it to the earth. They will reap only money that will be worthless in a short while ( in His Kingdom). Plus those who buy their, so called treasure, will find that the treasure they bought is also worthless (error and not truth).

            For no lie will enter heaven. Anyone who has believed and kept lies will lose that part of their soul. The wise who have trusted The Lord to cause them to believe His truth, and to discard the lies of tradition, that Jesus warned us about, will be like wise men in heaven.

            1 Cor 15:41The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.


            Last edited by Lou Newton; January 27, 2016, 09:06 AM.

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            • #7
              Now one may think that this Chapter has nothing to do about the story of Joseph, but I think it is not next by accident.

              Judah spoke up against his brothers who wanted to kill Joseph, by suggesting that they sell him instead. When Jacob is shown Joseph's coat with the blood on it, he is filled with grief. His grief does not pass, but this grief stays inside of him and I think this bothered Judah very much to see his father grieving like this. Judah may have been so disturbed by the behavior of his brothers that he left them. Notice it does not say that Judah left his father, but that he left his brothers.

              Genesis 38
              Judah and Tamar

              1 At that time, Judah left his brothers and went down to stay with a man of Adullam named Hirah.
              2 There Judah met the daughter of a Canaanite man named Shua. He married her and made love to her;
              3 she became pregnant and gave birth to a son, who was named Er.
              4 She conceived again and gave birth to a son and named him Onan.
              5 She gave birth to still another son and named him Shelah. It was at Kezib that she gave birth to him.
              6 Judah got a wife for Er, his firstborn, and her name was Tamar.
              7But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death.
              8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.”
              9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother.
              10 What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death also.
              11Judah then said to his daughter-in-law Tamar, “Live as a widow in your father’s household until my son Shelah grows up.” For he thought, “He may die too, just like his brothers.” So Tamar went to live in her father’s household.
              12After a long time Judah’s wife, the daughter of Shua, died. When Judah had recovered from his grief, he went up to Timnah, to the men who were shearing his sheep, and his friend Hirah the Adullamite went with him.
              13 When Tamar was told, “Your father-in-law is on his way to Timnah to shear his sheep,”
              14 she took off her widow’s clothes, covered herself with a veil to disguise herself, and then sat down at the entrance to Enaim, which is on the road to Timnah. For she saw that, though Shelah had now grown up, she had not been given to him as his wife.
              15 When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face.
              16Not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her by the roadside and said, “Come now, let me sleep with you.” “And what will you give me to sleep with you?” she asked.
              17 “I’ll send you a young goat from my flock,” he said. “Will you give me something as a pledge until you send it?” she asked.
              18 He said, “What pledge should I give you?” “Your seal and its cord, and the staff in your hand,” she answered. So he gave them to her and slept with her, and she became pregnant by him.
              19 After she left, she took off her veil and put on her widow’s clothes again.
              20 Meanwhile Judah sent the young goat by his friend the Adullamite in order to get his pledge back from the woman, but he did not find her.
              21 He asked the men who lived there, “Where is the shrine prostitute who was beside the road at Enaim?” “There hasn’t been any shrine prostitute here,” they said.
              22 So he went back to Judah and said, “I didn’t find her. Besides, the men who lived there said, ‘There hasn’t been any shrine prostitute here.’ ”
              23 Then Judah said, “Let her keep what she has, or we will become a laughingstock. After all, I did send her this young goat, but you didn’t find her.”
              24 About three months later Judah was told, “Your daughter-in-law Tamar is guilty of prostitution, and as a result she is now pregnant.” Judah said, “Bring her out and have her burned to death!”
              25 As she was being brought out, she sent a message to her father-in-law. “I am pregnant by the man who owns these,” she said. And she added, “See if you recognize whose seal and cord and staff these are.”
              26 Judah recognized them and said, “She is more righteous than I, since I wouldn’t give her to my son Shelah.” And he did not sleep with her again.
              27 When the time came for her to give birth, there were twin boys in her womb.
              28As she was giving birth, one of them put out his hand; so the midwife took a scarlet thread and tied it on his wrist and said, “This one came out first.”
              29But when he drew back his hand, his brother came out, and she said, “So this is how you have broken out!” And he was named Perez.
              30Then his brother, who had the scarlet thread on his wrist, came out. And he was named Zerah.

              In this God reveals some redeeming qualities of Judah. 1st he was disturbed by his fathers grief and the behavior of his brothers. 2nd- he was first disturbed by his daughter in law getting pregnant, but was quick to repent and confess that his sin was worse than hers.

              This story begins to reveal why Jesus calls Himself, The Lion of Judah. But we will see later a much better reason.

              The sin of Judah and Tamar is not hidden from view, but it plainly told. But their humility and their confession of their sin is also told.


              Judah did not stop his brothers from selling his own brother. Judah also lied to Tamar and did not give her to his next son to give her a son to take part in the inheritance of Judah. Further, Tamar deceived Judah to have sex with her so she would have a son to take part in the inheritance. One of these twins was Perez.

              On top of everything, Tamar was a Canaanite and Perez then was also from Canaan.

              What good could come from such a sinful union? What good could come from this poor child who was the fruit of such a union?

              Matthew 1
              The Genealogy of Jesus the Messiah

              1 This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:
              2 Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
              3 Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram,
              4 Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon,
              5 Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse,
              6 and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,
              7Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa,
              8 Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
              9 Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
              10 Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah,
              11 and Josiah the father of Jeconiah and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
              12 After the exile to Babylon: Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
              13 Zerubbabel the father of Abihud, Abihud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor,
              14 Azor the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Akim, Akim the father of Elihud,
              15Elihud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob,
              16 and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, and Mary was the mother of Jesus who is called the Messiah.

              What good could come from this man who lied and sold his brother; what good could come from this woman who prostituted herself; what good could come from the child of this sinful union ?

              THE SAVIOR OF MANKIND - THAT IS THE GOOD THAT COULD COME FROM THEM ALL.


              Now none of them seen what good was going to come from their life. Plus this extreme Good did not come until many years later.

              But certainly our Savior did come and save us all from our sins. Jesus also saved Judah, Tamar and Perez and you and me.

              So now are you so sinful and worthless that your life is of no consequence.

              Well give praise to our dear Lord Jesus, for He has put you in the same position of Judah, Tamar and Perez.

              Jesus has saved you and is doing a work in you, and not without result.

              Jesus has saved you for His purpose and His purpose will come to past just as it did for Judah, Tamar and Perez.

              There is not one thing that Jesus does that does not have a purpose. Jesus has a purpose for you and everything He does is of extreme importance that will reverberate throughout eternity forever.

              Remember this, Tamar and Perez were from Canaan, but then again so was the child Jesus who was the Savior of mankind.

              Lou Newton
              Last edited by Lou Newton; January 27, 2016, 02:54 PM.

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              • #8
                Thank you Lou. You are a good friend. I am blessed to know you.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Steve Hollander View Post
                  Thank you Lou. You are a good friend. I am blessed to know you.

                  Thanks for the reply Steve.

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                  • #10
                    I just read this old thread and it brought me to tears of joy.

                    What good news. I hope it does the same for you as it did me.

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                    • #11
                      This story like all the other stories from the Old Testament are there for us. The stories about Joseph is another of the types fulfilled in the Lord Jesus. Judah and his ten brothers? ? ? Well, They were not chosen as the head of ten of the twelve tribes of Israel based on their merits. Israel became the chosen race, not because of their faith but because of Abraham's faith. Ever since Abraham, believers have been elected because of the LORD's promise made to Abraham. The LORD's Israel are those who accept the demands made by the work of Christ.

                      Joseph inspires the young to live a holy life and not let the living of it determine their behavior. Joseph is the story which is a substitute for having walked with the LORD and having stumbled through the decades so as to learn by experience what Joseph knew as a youngster by faith. Joseph's story is one ever child can receive.

                      Dietrich Bonhoeffer said it best, " It is far more important for me to know what God did to Israel, to His Son Jesus Christ, than to seek what God intends for me today. Only in Holy Scriptures do we learn to know our own history."

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                      • #12
                        Thanks for bumping this, Lou. I was blessed by it again in the rereading.

                        Glen, thanks for adding that helpful perspective. I can see it now that you've shined a light on it.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by glen smith View Post
                          This story like all the other stories from the Old Testament are there for us. The stories about Joseph is another of the types fulfilled in the Lord Jesus. Judah and his ten brothers? ? ? Well, They were not chosen as the head of ten of the twelve tribes of Israel based on their merits. Israel became the chosen race, not because of their faith but because of Abraham's faith. Ever since Abraham, believers have been elected because of the LORD's promise made to Abraham. The LORD's Israel are those who accept the demands made by the work of Christ.

                          Joseph inspires the young to live a holy life and not let the living of it determine their behavior. Joseph is the story which is a substitute for having walked with the LORD and having stumbled through the decades so as to learn by experience what Joseph knew as a youngster by faith. Joseph's story is one ever child can receive.

                          Dietrich Bonhoeffer said it best, " It is far more important for me to know what God did to Israel, to His Son Jesus Christ, than to seek what God intends for me today. Only in Holy Scriptures do we learn to know our own history."
                          Thanks for the reply Glen.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Baruch View Post
                            Thanks for bumping this, Lou. I was blessed by it again in the rereading.

                            Glen, thanks for adding that helpful perspective. I can see it now that you've shined a light on it.
                            Thanks for the reply Barry. I am weak and need constant encouragement because of this weakness

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