When is/are the resurrection(s)

[Travis]

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him

Now John speaks of THE Revelation of Jesus. - Jesus is coming back with clouds of witnesses. EVERY EYE will see Him. Even those who pierced Him. That includes everyone. For it was for our sin that Jesus was pierced. ALL the people of the earth will MOURN because of Him. Those of us that love Him will mourn because we will see His TERRIBLE wounds and mourn that Jesus was pierced for our sins. Those who rejected Jesus will mourn because they rejected Him and now they will be filed with deep regret that they rejected the King of Heaven.

I was about to pose this question on the Revelation thread.... but then I thought wiser....

I have no doubt that what Lou said in bold above is 100% true. Is there something more to it though? Will, literally, those same persons who had a part in putting Jesus to death, see him coming with the clouds upon his return. Not that I am any better than they are by any means. I'm not trying to step on their head to make myself look good, I'm just posing a question. That's only the tip of my question though, the real question is this:

When is the resurrection from the dead for all people, and when is/are the judgement(s)? Will the righteous be raised first, and then the wicked much much later? Will all the righteous be raised at the same time? Some people don't think they will.

For most of my life I've believed (just by default if nothing else) a largely dispensationalist view of things, and a pre-millenial type view of what is coming in our future.

I'm pretty familiar with a lot of the scriptures surrounding this topic, I don't just want to post them all here, and try and mix and match them per say. I just want to hear some other perspectives on how things are going to be.

Another way of phrasing this could be: What all do you think is going to happen on earth after Christ returns in Glory?

Grace to you,

Travis

[Blane]

I was about to pose this question on the Revelation thread.... but then I thought wiser....

I have no doubt that what Lou said in bold above is 100% true. Is there something more to it though? Will, literally, those same persons who had a part in putting Jesus to death, see him coming with the clouds upon his return. Not that I am any better than they are by any means. I'm not trying to step on their head to make myself look good, I'm just posing a question. That's only the tip of my question though, the real question is this:

When is the resurrection from the dead for all people, and when is/are the judgement(s)? Will the righteous be raised first, and then the wicked much much later? Will all the righteous be raised at the same time? Some people don't think they will.

For most of my life I've believed (just by default if nothing else) a largely dispensationalist view of things, and a pre-millenial type view of what is coming in our future.

I'm pretty familiar with a lot of the scriptures surrounding this topic, I don't just want to post them all here, and try and mix and match them per say. I just want to hear some other perspectives on how things are going to be.

Another way of phrasing this could be: What all do you think is going to happen on earth after Christ returns in Glory?

Grace to you,

Travis

Travis,

I've often wondered if God plans to make the invisible realm suddenly visible at the coming of Jesus. It might explain how every eye can see him despite the fact that we live on a globe and don't all have the same vantage point. More than that; every eye means every eye that has ever lived, in all ages. Again, if God were to suddenly make the invisible realm visible, every person dwelling in the heart of the earth would see Christ, regardless of how long ago they died.

Blane

[Blane]

I was about to pose this question on the Revelation thread.... but then I thought wiser....

I have no doubt that what Lou said in bold above is 100% true. Is there something more to it though? Will, literally, those same persons who had a part in putting Jesus to death, see him coming with the clouds upon his return. Not that I am any better than they are by any means. I'm not trying to step on their head to make myself look good, I'm just posing a question. That's only the tip of my question though, the real question is this:

When is the resurrection from the dead for all people, and when is/are the judgement(s)? Will the righteous be raised first, and then the wicked much much later? Will all the righteous be raised at the same time? Some people don't think they will.

For most of my life I've believed (just by default if nothing else) a largely dispensationalist view of things, and a pre-millenial type view of what is coming in our future.

I'm pretty familiar with a lot of the scriptures surrounding this topic, I don't just want to post them all here, and try and mix and match them per say. I just want to hear some other perspectives on how things are going to be.

Another way of phrasing this could be: What all do you think is going to happen on earth after Christ returns in Glory?

Grace to you,

Travis

Travis,

Rev 20 seems to be saying (operative word: "seems") that none of the wicked dead will be resurrected for judgement until God has finished resurrecting the righteous.

Blane

[Travis]

Travis,

Rev 20 seems to be saying (operative word: "seems") that none of the wicked dead will be resurrected for judgement until God has finished resurrecting the righteous.

Blane

Ya...

I don't claim to understand this by any means. I would like too though.

Revelation 20
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The first resurrection seems to imply a second one.

I guess I do know this though. Jesus came to earth as a man so that he could die on a cross to shed his blood for our sins. He rose from the dead, and He himself is the Resurrection, and the Life. So, my title for this is a little strange I guess, for there is only one the Resurrection, which is Jesus Christ. But I think maybe others will still understand what I am asking.

John 6
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[TennesseeLinda]

Ya...

I don't claim to understand this by any means. I would like too though.

Revelation 20
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The first resurrection seems to imply a second one.

I guess I do know this though. Jesus came to earth as a man so that he could die on a cross to shed his blood for our sins. He rose from the dead, and He himself is the Resurrection, and the Life. So, my title for this is a little strange I guess, for there is only one the Resurrection, which is Jesus Christ. But I think maybe others will still understand what I am asking.

John 6
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

I have also been greatly confused by the seemingly contradictory "resurrection". The thief on the cross was told by Christ Himself, that that day he would be with Him in paradise. And, yet, we see verses that seem to suggest we will not be resurrected at once.

[Lou Newton]

I have also been greatly confused by the seemingly contradictory "resurrection". The thief on the cross was told by Christ Himself, that that day he would be with Him in paradise. And, yet, we see verses that seem to suggest we will not be resurrected at once.

hi Linda,

What Christ told the thief proves several things:

First it proves that Christ is fully God The Father. Because the Man Christ did not rise from the dead until after three days and could not be with the thief in heaven if He was not also God in heaven to be with the thief.

Second - it shows us that the spirit and soul does not die with the fleshly body. For the flesh of the thief died and was buried and it will be resurrected on that day. But the spirit and soul of the thief would be in heaven with God.

Lou

[Baruch]

Ya...

I don't claim to understand this by any means. I would like too though.

Revelation 20
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The first resurrection seems to imply a second one.

I guess I do know this though. Jesus came to earth as a man so that he could die on a cross to shed his blood for our sins. He rose from the dead, and He himself is the Resurrection, and the Life. So, my title for this is a little strange I guess, for there is only one the Resurrection, which is Jesus Christ. But I think maybe others will still understand what I am asking.

John 6
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Hi, Travis,

Maybe here is something.

Verse 5 defers the resurrection of those dead not in Christ to a thousand years thence.

Rev 20:12-13 is the second resurrection, yes?

"At the last day" surely means the day of the Lord, which I take not to be a literal day, rather the frame of time encompassing the culmination of this creation as God's remaining prophecies are fulfilled.

What mystifies me is, if this is correct, then are these things to be taken as: a) natural/historical; b) spiritual; c) both? I am expecting it's (c).
- If there is a natural part, is it past, present, or future? If in the past or present, what is its fulfillment?
- If there is a spiritual part, what spiritual reality do the symbols project?

Baruch

[Travis]

Verse 5 defers the resurrection of those dead not in Christ to a thousand years thence.

Good point,

The fact that it denotes it as the "first resurrection" implies that there is at least one more. Whatever that entails.

Travis