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    GOD, GIVE Us PROPHETS!!

    by Paul Holdren


    The simultaneous use of the words "prophet" and "ministry" almost

    seem like a veiled attempt to tame the untamable nature of the

    prophet. The word "prophet" speaks of unconventional methods

    and means. In this context the word "ministry" seems to imply the

    use of conventional methods and means.


    Prophets are unpredictable, while ministries have become very

    predictable. Ministries are typically planned by men, while

    prophets are ordered by God. Prophets have thrown themselves

    prostrate before God in order to be stood up by God to forever be

    set apart for God's purposes.


    Prophets hear only from God. Therefore, they can speak for God.

    Prophets have been touched by the hand of God. Therefore, they

    know the power of God. Prophets have been positioned to see from

    God's perspective, observing the world's system as it really is. For

    it is corrupt in nature with nothing of eternal value to offer. Prophets

    have seen the glory of God. Therefore, they know the call to be holy.


    Prophets have trembled before the holiness of God. Therefore, they

    will not tremble before men. To revere God is to fear no man - be it

    individuals or institutions. Prophets walk differently, as they hear a

    heavenly music. Prophets talk differently, as they hear a heavenly

    voice. Prophets act differently, as they desire the clear and effective

    communication of the word of the Lord.


    Peer pressure has no appeal to or influence upon the prophet.

    The prophet is more concerned about God's reputation than social

    acceptability. Prophets have sacrificially thrown themselves on the

    altar of God as an offering. There to be consumed by the fire of God

    as a sacrifice and filled with the Spirit of God as a sanctified

    vessel. Prophets have been consumed by the Holy in order to be

    empowered by the Holy.


    The scripture states that Christians are to be "kings and priests"

    (Revelation 1:6). However, the contemporary Christian is more like

    the traditionalist of Ezekiel's time than like the New Testament

    descript. Contemporary Christians tend to be predictable

    traditionalists merely tweaking the methods and means that they

    have been taught and trained to use. Typically speaking, the

    contemporary Christian is too busy to spend time with God in order

    to bask in His glorious presence, too busy to study the word of God

    in order to know the mind of God, too busy to have altar time with

    God to be consumed by holy fire, and too busy running from the

    demands of God to be running with God, knowing the miraculous

    will of God. Many contemporary Christians lack the vision and

    passion to build the Kingdom of God. Rather, they build the

    "Chapel of Self".....


    Leonard Ravenhill, 20th Century Revivalist - "Oh God send us

    prophetic preaching that searches and scorches! Send us a race

    of Martyr-preachers - men burdened, bent, bowed and broken

    under the vision of impending judgment and the unending hell of

    the impenitent..."

    "Preachers make pulpits famous; prophets make prisons famous.

    May the Lord send us prophets - terrible men, who cry aloud and

    spare not, who sprinkle nations with unctionized woes- men too hot

    to hold, to hard to be heard, to merciless to spare..."

    "We are tired of men in soft raiment and softer in speech who use

    rivers of words with but a smidgen of unction. These know more

    about competition than consecration, about promotion than prayer.

    They substitute propaganda for propagation and care more for their

    church's happiness than holiness..." (-From 'Why Revival Tarries').


    Ezekiel was the priest who became a prophet. His call from God

    to prophetic office is worthy of our examination, as our place in

    history cries out that God send prophets. His vantage point as

    a prophet is worth taking note of, for the conditions of the nation

    require the prophet's insight and perspective. His methods of

    communication should be studied, as the world needs to hear

    and understand its destitute rebellious nature and the impending

    judgment of all unrighteousness. His calling of the nation to

    repentance is worth remembering, for it is a fearful thing to not

    have grace cover the nation's sin. His promise of restoration is

    worth remembering, as it was given by Jehovah the covenant-

    keeping God.


    -From "The Wedding of Purity and Power" by Paul Holdren.

  • #2
    Glen B Smith
    To:Lou Newton

    May 19 at 3:17 AM

    Praise the prophets

    Should the prophet also be praised for dying on the cross?

    Paul Holdren seems to support the idea that prophets will correct the issues he has with Christians, the Church, and ministers.

    The Roman Catholic Church esteems canonized saints, the Apostles, and the Virgin Mary while proclaiming the Pope the Apostle of the all Christians.

    How has that worked out for RCC?

    A Prayer for "God give us prophets" ignores what the Apostle Peter proclaimed in Acts 2.

    17 “‘In the last days, God says,
    I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
    Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
    your young men will see visions,
    your old men will dream dreams.
    18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
    I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
    and they will prophesy.
    19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
    and signs on the earth below,
    blood and fire and billows of smoke.
    20 The sun will be turned to darkness
    and the moon to blood
    before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
    21 And everyone who calls
    on the name of the Lord will be saved.’



    The pouring out of the Holy Spirit makes all believers prophetic.

    If something is missing in Christianity in America it is not prophets but the Holy Spirit.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
      Glen B Smith
      To:Lou Newton

      May 19 at 3:17 AM

      Praise the prophets

      Should the prophet also be praised for dying on the cross?

      Paul Holdren seems to support the idea that prophets will correct the issues he has with Christians, the Church, and ministers.

      The Roman Catholic Church esteems canonized saints, the Apostles, and the Virgin Mary while proclaiming the Pope the Apostle of the all Christians.

      How has that worked out for RCC?

      A Prayer for "God give us prophets" ignores what the Apostle Peter proclaimed in Acts 2.

      17 “‘In the last days, God says,
      I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
      Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
      your young men will see visions,
      your old men will dream dreams.
      18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
      I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
      and they will prophesy.
      19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
      and signs on the earth below,
      blood and fire and billows of smoke.
      20 The sun will be turned to darkness
      and the moon to blood
      before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
      21 And everyone who calls
      on the name of the Lord will be saved.’



      The pouring out of the Holy Spirit makes all believers prophetic.

      If something is missing in Christianity in America it is not prophets but the Holy Spirit.
      Hi Glen, thank you for your very kind reply.

      You make a very good point if you are referring to FALSE prophets. We have far too many of them.

      BUT do you believe the Holy Scriptures ? Do you read them and think on them ? I think you do.

      Well every word of the Holy Scriptures came through prophets who were called of God. Not self appointed prophets, or prophets appointed by other men like the church seems full of today. No matter how many men approve another man to be prophet, that means nothing. Only God Himself can call a man to be a prophet.

      Every word of the Holy Scriptures came through a prophet !!!

      2 Peter 1 NIV
      19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable,and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

      If The Holy Spirit carries someone along, The Holy Spirit is able to cause that man to do the perfect will of God. Few are willing to surrender to God to the point where He carries them along.

      Since so many in the church do not seek God to hear His voice, we need prophets in the church today. We need to hear from The Holy Spirit, NOT from mere men.

      Yes, it is God's will that all men be prophetic, but if one looks at the condition of our nation they should be able to see that the church has failed this nation. For God made this promise, and He can not lie:

      2 Chronicles 7
      13 “When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

      Our land is not healed. Therefore the people who are called by His Name ( Christians) have NOT - "humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways".

      1 Cor 12 NIV


      27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.

      There is a big difference between someone speaking or seeing prophetically and the OFFICE of prophet.

      There were many prophets in Israel , but Elijah was called to the office of prophet.

      David was a prophet, BUT could not hold the OFFICE of prophet because he held the office of KING.

      Saul tried to hold the office of both King and Priest and God took the Kingdom from him for doing so. Today we have countless men who claim to be Pastor and also try to be King of that church. That brings death to the church, not life. Even more the position of King was not even the will of God at all. God was to be their King, not any mere man.

      I appreciate your replies dear friend. We get to the truth by discussion. You pointed out some very important points that were not mentioned in the article.

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