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    Please read the following with great care and much prayer and then comment your thoughts about it. - Lou Newton


    The FALSE PROPHET.
    {-Extracts from 'The Prophetic Call' by Art Katz}.

    In Jeremiah chapter 23, God gives us a powerful statement about true
    and false prophets. Talk about an indictment! It is one thing to have an
    indictment against Israel, but when you begin to indict the prophets of
    Israel, when the loftiest and the best and the noblest thing has become
    the most profane, then that must be a symbol or a statement of the low
    condition of a nation
    prior to its judgment.

    There is a conjunction between prophet and priest:
    "The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule on their own
    authority; and My people love it so!"
    (Jer.5:31a).

    It is remarkable how self-serving this reciprocal thing is between
    heads of movements or fellowships and the false prophets, and how
    comfortable they are with one another and how they affirm one another. The
    people are in an unspoken agreement with their ministers: "You present a
    biblical message. We will pay the bill and have a Sunday service that will
    leave our lives free from any kind of demand that would really touch our
    true vested interest and value. We don't want a message that is going to
    challenge where our heart really is. We want to be able to say, 'Amen' and
    'We've been to church'"-and that kind of thing. As the priest, so also the
    people. As the pastor/preacher, so also the congregation.
    Into that
    situation we have to come prophetically-and likely be stoned!

    '"Therefore their way will be like slippery paths to them, they will
    be driven away into the gloom and fall in it; for I shall bring calamity
    upon them, the year of their punishment," declares the LORD' (v. 12).

    It implies that there is not an immediate judgment, but that there
    is an appointed time in which God judges those that profane His
    house-those who originally had authentic and holy callings. That may well
    be why the Lord is allowing to continue that which is presently being
    called prophetic and is so popular, but for them, as with the priests and
    prophets of old, there will be a year of visitation or a time when God
    calls a halt.

    There is a consequence for false prophecy. It will affect the entire
    nation and therefore the entire church
    by the same principle.

    "' Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'Do not listen to the words of
    the prophets who are prophesying to you...'" (vs. 15-16a).

    Notice that God still calls them prophets. It is maybe because the
    gifts and callings of God are irrevocable. They still retain their
    official title, but what they are performing under that title is in God's
    sight an abomination. There is nothing more profane than when the sacred
    is no longer authentically sacred. When we take the sacred phrase, 'Thus
    says the Lord' and merely employ it as a device to win the attention of
    our hearers, then we are desecrating the sacred
    . We are making the sacred
    profane and once we have done that, what else can be hoped for? If we are
    not as a priestly people setting forth the distinction between the profane
    and the sacred, what can be hoped for in the world? The ramifications of
    what we are talking about are beyond any full grasp.

    "They keep saying to those who despise Me, 'The LORD has said,
    'You will have peace'; and as for everyone who walks in the
    stubbornness of his own heart, they say, 'Calamity will not come
    upon you.'" (v.16b-17).

    This must be the very quintessence of what a false prophet is,
    namely, the giving of a false comfort and a false assurance of peace that
    does not regard the truth of the conditions that need to be faced.
    It is
    an unwillingness to bring a hard word. The things that are prophesied are
    normally flattering and encouraging to the flesh, rather than challenging
    or threatening. False prophets have historically prophesied peace when
    there is no peace. 'Calamity will not come upon you' is unhappily the kind
    of prophetic statement that is coming forth even today, especially in
    Israel. They are giving a false comfort to those who are not even properly
    aligned to God. Humanly speaking, we would not see these people as those
    who despise God. God sees them, however, as despising Him and we need to
    see it as He sees it.
    The false prophets are actually bringing a kind of
    encouragement to those people who are already out of right relationship
    with God and give them an assurance that their relationship with God is in
    order.

    "But who has stood in the council of the LORD...?"

    Moses, who wrote the five books of Moses, could say of himself that
    he was the humblest man on the face of the earth. That is true humility,
    where we are devoid of any sense of spiritual self-consciousness. We can
    merely state the fact of something without any effect upon ourselves,
    because the humility is not a statement to our honor. Humility is not
    something that man can work up by himself on the earth and develop as a
    character trait. Humility is what God is in Himself, and the only one who
    will display and exhibit it, is that one who has been consistently in the
    presence of God.
    It is humbling to be there and that is why Moses could
    state it not as a credit to himself, but to God, out of whose presence
    that humility was established. God requires still that His prophetic men
    be in His presence.

    I want to say that there is nothing more difficult for anyone than
    this requirement. Everything contends against it-the dinner bell, the
    faucet is dripping, the light bulb needs to be changed, the dogs need to
    be fed-a thousand things continually nipping at you that require
    attention. Even if that were not so, there is something about the pulse of
    the flesh itself that is inimical and opposed to seeking the Lord. Seeking
    the Lord is an extraordinarily difficult thing and few have sufficeint
    incentive. It is a suffering, and in fact, just to be more ruthlessly
    honest, it is a dying. Living on the earth, in the flesh, in the world and
    in time, and to confide and to commune with God, is an extraordinary and
    ultimate attainment. If you attain it, then maintain it, because you do
    not want to have to do it all over again. Can you maintain it and still go
    to last night's birthday party, and dancing, and hooting, and singing, and
    stomping and not lose it or be jarred from your sensitive spiritual place
    by what seems to be just a time of fun? We are talking about something
    very critical. I would not expect in the earth today many men who are in
    this place. What then shall we say for the whole rash of prophets that
    have arisen in recent years for there are many men professing to be
    prophets, but are we hearing the council of God?
    God's judgment about the
    failure to obtain His word in that place is severe.

    We can know when the word is out of the council of God because it
    has this salutary effect. It will affect the nation or fellowship in
    turning it toward God, rather than away from Him and from their evil ways
    and their practices. I can remember a full gospel breakfast where the
    speaker was from Sweden, a leading evangelical personality, but it could
    have been anywhere. He was wearing a Gucci shirt and tie and a silk-type
    suit, and he began by saying, "The Lord has spoken to me this morning and
    given me a word for you." I leaned forward to catch every syllable that
    had come from the heart of God. As I heard it, however, there was nothing
    from God at all, but clichés, evangelical phrases and full gospel hogwash.
    The men who were hearing that word that morning, and nodding their heads,
    and "amening", applauding and affirming, need to know that there are
    consequences when we allow that kind of monumental lie to be expressed and
    not to be contradicted. It will deaden and dull our sensitivity so that
    the next time we will be an even greater candidate for deception for
    anything that comes down the pike.

    There needed to be someone in that audience that morning to get up
    and say, "I am sorry for whatever pain and dislocation I am going to
    cause, but I cannot allow that phrase and that statement to be made in our
    hearing without being contested. That was not the word of God and we dare
    not allow that kind of terminology to be employed merely to sanctify or to
    give a kind of credibility to what is otherwise just an ordinary
    statement." How often is that being done and to what extent has our
    failure to do so had a negative effect on the church today? We have paid
    much for cheap, casual references to God, as if we could invoke Him at
    pleasure or say, "God gave", when He did not give.

    The same ones who will dismiss God rudely are the same ones who will
    invoke Him lightly.
    Prophets are called to come into that whole scenario,
    and bring the sword of the Lord, and bring the fear of the Lord, and the
    truth of the Lord to people who have been long spoiled by such cheapy
    things as I am now describing, and as every one of us at one time or
    another, more than we would like, have experienced. This is why we have
    anguished and God is calling a halt.

    That is why there are false prophets. That is why, if I can say it,
    the Charismatic and kindred movements themselves are kind of false
    movements, wanting the effulgence of the Spirit and the excitement and the
    activity, but evading the cross and the necessity for suffering out of
    which the Spirit of God is given as solace, comfort and power. We come
    back again and again to the cross. The false prophet speaks words of
    comfort when God would not have His people to be comforted, but to be
    agitated.
    True prophets can bear the reprisal, the rejection and the
    mortification of that word coming back into their own teeth. They can bear
    giving the word and then someone cueing the piano player to drown it out.
    Prophetic anguish is to bring the word of God and then to have it refused
    and come right back into your teeth. It is mortifying and the antithesis
    of the joy and the gratification that comes when the word of God flows out
    of you, and through, and into the people who are receiving it. That is
    like tonic for your soul. We have to be as willing for the one as the
    other, or we will not speak the other. The call to the prophet is the call
    to the cross. It is a frequent, if not continual form of suffering of an
    exquisite and ultimate kind. Can we say, "Thus says the Lord" without
    actually articulating those words or implying those words in your
    statement, except that your word has come through the cross? It is out of
    a death. It is not your own word, but His, which can only come from that
    cross-centered place. That was true for the prophets before the advent of
    the cross. Elijah preceded the cross, but he knew the death of it when he
    said, "...there shall be neither dew nor rain these years, except by my
    word." Jesus knew the cross before He knew the cross. The cross only
    exemplified and made visible the thing to which His life was all along
    submitted.
    Last edited by Lou Newton; February 9th, 2017, 06:21 AM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
    Please read the following with great care and much prayer and then comment your thoughts about it. - Lou Newton


    The FALSE PROPHET.
    {-Extracts from 'The Prophetic Call' by Art Katz}.

    In Jeremiah chapter 23, God gives us a powerful statement about true
    and false prophets. Talk about an indictment! It is one thing to have an
    indictment against Israel, but when you begin to indict the prophets of
    Israel, when the loftiest and the best and the noblest thing has become
    the most profane, then that must be a symbol or a statement of the low
    condition of a nation
    prior to its judgment.

    There is a conjunction between prophet and priest:
    "The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule on their own
    authority; and My people love it so!"
    (Jer.5:31a).

    It is remarkable how self-serving this reciprocal thing is between
    heads of movements or fellowships and the false prophets, and how
    comfortable they are with one another and how they affirm one another. The
    people are in an unspoken agreement with their ministers: "You present a
    biblical message. We will pay the bill and have a Sunday service that will
    leave our lives free from any kind of demand that would really touch our
    true vested interest and value. We don't want a message that is going to
    challenge where our heart really is. We want to be able to say, 'Amen' and
    'We've been to church'"-and that kind of thing. As the priest, so also the
    people. As the pastor/preacher, so also the congregation.
    Into that
    situation we have to come prophetically-and likely be stoned!

    '"Therefore their way will be like slippery paths to them, they will
    be driven away into the gloom and fall in it; for I shall bring calamity
    upon them, the year of their punishment," declares the LORD' (v. 12).

    It implies that there is not an immediate judgment, but that there
    is an appointed time in which God judges those that profane His
    house-those who originally had authentic and holy callings. That may well
    be why the Lord is allowing to continue that which is presently being
    called prophetic and is so popular, but for them, as with the priests and
    prophets of old, there will be a year of visitation or a time when God
    calls a halt.

    There is a consequence for false prophecy. It will affect the entire
    nation and therefore the entire church
    by the same principle.

    "' Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'Do not listen to the words of
    the prophets who are prophesying to you...'" (vs. 15-16a).

    Notice that God still calls them prophets. It is maybe because the
    gifts and callings of God are irrevocable. They still retain their
    official title, but what they are performing under that title is in God's
    sight an abomination. There is nothing more profane than when the sacred
    is no longer authentically sacred. When we take the sacred phrase, 'Thus
    says the Lord' and merely employ it as a device to win the attention of
    our hearers, then we are desecrating the sacred
    . We are making the sacred
    profane and once we have done that, what else can be hoped for? If we are
    not as a priestly people setting forth the distinction between the profane
    and the sacred, what can be hoped for in the world? The ramifications of
    what we are talking about are beyond any full grasp.

    "They keep saying to those who despise Me, 'The LORD has said,
    'You will have peace'; and as for everyone who walks in the
    stubbornness of his own heart, they say, 'Calamity will not come
    upon you.'" (v.16b-17).

    This must be the very quintessence of what a false prophet is,
    namely, the giving of a false comfort and a false assurance of peace that
    does not regard the truth of the conditions that need to be faced.
    It is
    an unwillingness to bring a hard word. The things that are prophesied are
    normally flattering and encouraging to the flesh, rather than challenging
    or threatening. False prophets have historically prophesied peace when
    there is no peace. 'Calamity will not come upon you' is unhappily the kind
    of prophetic statement that is coming forth even today, especially in
    Israel. They are giving a false comfort to those who are not even properly
    aligned to God. Humanly speaking, we would not see these people as those
    who despise God. God sees them, however, as despising Him and we need to
    see it as He sees it.
    The false prophets are actually bringing a kind of
    encouragement to those people who are already out of right relationship
    with God and give them an assurance that their relationship with God is in
    order.

    "But who has stood in the council of the LORD...?"

    Moses, who wrote the five books of Moses, could say of himself that
    he was the humblest man on the face of the earth. That is true humility,
    where we are devoid of any sense of spiritual self-consciousness. We can
    merely state the fact of something without any effect upon ourselves,
    because the humility is not a statement to our honor. Humility is not
    something that man can work up by himself on the earth and develop as a
    character trait. Humility is what God is in Himself, and the only one who
    will display and exhibit it, is that one who has been consistently in the
    presence of God.
    It is humbling to be there and that is why Moses could
    state it not as a credit to himself, but to God, out of whose presence
    that humility was established. God requires still that His prophetic men
    be in His presence.

    I want to say that there is nothing more difficult for anyone than
    this requirement. Everything contends against it-the dinner bell, the
    faucet is dripping, the light bulb needs to be changed, the dogs need to
    be fed-a thousand things continually nipping at you that require
    attention. Even if that were not so, there is something about the pulse of
    the flesh itself that is inimical and opposed to seeking the Lord. Seeking
    the Lord is an extraordinarily difficult thing and few have sufficeint
    incentive. It is a suffering, and in fact, just to be more ruthlessly
    honest, it is a dying. Living on the earth, in the flesh, in the world and
    in time, and to confide and to commune with God, is an extraordinary and
    ultimate attainment. If you attain it, then maintain it, because you do
    not want to have to do it all over again. Can you maintain it and still go
    to last night's birthday party, and dancing, and hooting, and singing, and
    stomping and not lose it or be jarred from your sensitive spiritual place
    by what seems to be just a time of fun? We are talking about something
    very critical. I would not expect in the earth today many men who are in
    this place. What then shall we say for the whole rash of prophets that
    have arisen in recent years for there are many men professing to be
    prophets, but are we hearing the council of God?
    God's judgment about the
    failure to obtain His word in that place is severe.

    We can know when the word is out of the council of God because it
    has this salutary effect. It will affect the nation or fellowship in
    turning it toward God, rather than away from Him and from their evil ways
    and their practices. I can remember a full gospel breakfast where the
    speaker was from Sweden, a leading evangelical personality, but it could
    have been anywhere. He was wearing a Gucci shirt and tie and a silk-type
    suit, and he began by saying, "The Lord has spoken to me this morning and
    given me a word for you." I leaned forward to catch every syllable that
    had come from the heart of God. As I heard it, however, there was nothing
    from God at all, but clichés, evangelical phrases and full gospel hogwash.
    The men who were hearing that word that morning, and nodding their heads,
    and "amening", applauding and affirming, need to know that there are
    consequences when we allow that kind of monumental lie to be expressed and
    not to be contradicted. It will deaden and dull our sensitivity so that
    the next time we will be an even greater candidate for deception for
    anything that comes down the pike.

    There needed to be someone in that audience that morning to get up
    and say, "I am sorry for whatever pain and dislocation I am going to
    cause, but I cannot allow that phrase and that statement to be made in our
    hearing without being contested. That was not the word of God and we dare
    not allow that kind of terminology to be employed merely to sanctify or to
    give a kind of credibility to what is otherwise just an ordinary
    statement." How often is that being done and to what extent has our
    failure to do so had a negative effect on the church today? We have paid
    much for cheap, casual references to God, as if we could invoke Him at
    pleasure or say, "God gave", when He did not give.

    The same ones who will dismiss God rudely are the same ones who will
    invoke Him lightly.
    Prophets are called to come into that whole scenario,
    and bring the sword of the Lord, and bring the fear of the Lord, and the
    truth of the Lord to people who have been long spoiled by such cheapy
    things as I am now describing, and as every one of us at one time or
    another, more than we would like, have experienced. This is why we have
    anguished and God is calling a halt.

    That is why there are false prophets. That is why, if I can say it,
    the Charismatic and kindred movements themselves are kind of false
    movements, wanting the effulgence of the Spirit and the excitement and the
    activity, but evading the cross and the necessity for suffering out of
    which the Spirit of God is given as solace, comfort and power. We come
    back again and again to the cross. The false prophet speaks words of
    comfort when God would not have His people to be comforted, but to be
    agitated.
    True prophets can bear the reprisal, the rejection and the
    mortification of that word coming back into their own teeth. They can bear
    giving the word and then someone cueing the piano player to drown it out.
    Prophetic anguish is to bring the word of God and then to have it refused
    and come right back into your teeth. It is mortifying and the antithesis
    of the joy and the gratification that comes when the word of God flows out
    of you, and through, and into the people who are receiving it. That is
    like tonic for your soul. We have to be as willing for the one as the
    other, or we will not speak the other. The call to the prophet is the call
    to the cross. It is a frequent, if not continual form of suffering of an
    exquisite and ultimate kind. Can we say, "Thus says the Lord" without
    actually articulating those words or implying those words in your
    statement, except that your word has come through the cross? It is out of
    a death. It is not your own word, but His, which can only come from that
    cross-centered place. That was true for the prophets before the advent of
    the cross. Elijah preceded the cross, but he knew the death of it when he
    said, "...there shall be neither dew nor rain these years, except by my
    word." Jesus knew the cross before He knew the cross. The cross only
    exemplified and made visible the thing to which His life was all along
    submitted.
    That's really amazing and deep; he calls all of us out of any comfort and to examine our motives. It also takes just about every fellowship I've been apart of and says that it wasn't from God. Humility is something we get from being with God; what an amazing revelation. We can't earn it or practice it; it rubs off on us from being in his presence.

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    • #3
      That means we cant change unless we draw closer to Him

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      • #4
        Originally posted by redsoxmaloney View Post

        That's really amazing and deep; he calls all of us out of any comfort and to examine our motives. It also takes just about every fellowship I've been apart of and says that it wasn't from God. Humility is something we get from being with God; what an amazing revelation. We can't earn it or practice it; it rubs off on us from being in his presence.
        he calls all of us out of any comfort and to examine our motives

        Good comment Tom, thanks.

        Below is a message The Lord spoke to me many years ago:

        Fortitude

        In a multitude of testings, thou shalt learn courage. It matters not the price ye pay, but at any cost ye must obtain strength of character and the fortitude to endure. I would build thy resources until ye be able to carry unusually heavy loads and withstand intense pressures.

        Ye shall thus become an ambassador of the Kingdom of Heaven to whom I can assign critical missions, being confident that ye are equipped to fulfill them.

        It shall be in vain if ye anticipate resting in a comfortable place. Lo,Zion is already filled with those who are at ease. No, ye shall find thyself put in a place of training and discipline, so that when the moments of crisis come ye shall not become faint-hearted and ye shall not become the victim of unwanted fear.

        Trust my instruction in all of this, as ye have in different past experiences. I am faithful and loving, and I am doing this in order that ye may meet the future days and not be found wanting.
        Now when The Lord spoke this to me I had several reactions to His words.

        1st - this filled me with life. Why ? Because Jesus is LIFE, and when He speaks to you, you will be filled with life.

        2nd - I also heard the words He spoke and some of them were NOT the words I wanted to hear. I did not want to hear this:
        It shall be in vain if ye anticipate resting in a comfortable place

        3rd - My mind found these words hard to believe. Why would The Lord speak such a thing to me ?

        4th - But I can tell you that down deep in my spirit I knew these words were from Him and so were Truth. I can testify now many years later that they were proven to be true by all that followed in my life.


        Peter was the only one who jumped out of the boat into the water. Peter was not comfortable in doing that, for it was perfectly good boat that was not sinking. But that boat rotted away long ago, and Peter still walks with Christ. Peter made a very good decision; but notice he asked the Lord if it was OK before he jumped out.

        Abraham left his entire family, friends and everything he knew and started on a journey and did not even know where he was being led. Think of all the dangers from bandits and evil Kingdoms back in those days. But Abraham ended up shepherding his sheep around the very city of the Great King, Melchizedek, who was The One and Only King of Righteousness and the Prince of Peace ( Salem).

        Notice again that Abraham did not decide on his own accord to leave, but only followed the Holy Spirit's command.

        They risked everything, even their own lives, but look at their reward. They walked and talked with The Lord Jesus who created everything that exists.

        No one can live larger than that.

        Lou Newton
        Last edited by Lou Newton; February 9th, 2017, 04:17 PM.

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