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    I would appreciate any comments or insights from anyone regarding the magnificient 6th chapter of Romans. The verses highlighted in blue are of particular interest to me.

    Thanks,

    Blane



    Romans 6 King James Version (KJV)


    6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
    4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
    5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
    6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

    7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
    8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
    9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
    10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
    11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
    13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
    14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

    15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
    16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
    17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
    18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
    19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
    20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
    21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
    22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
    23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    King James Version (KJV)

  • #2
    Romans 6 - Tyndale Living Bible

    Reading this version should help some understand this chapter better.

    Romans 6 Living Bible (TLB)

    6 Well then, shall we keep on sinning so that God can keep on showing us more and more kindness and forgiveness?

    2-3 Of course not! Should we keep on sinning when we don’t have to? For sin’s power over us was broken when we became Christians and were baptized to become a part of Jesus Christ; through his death the power of your sinful nature was shattered. 4 Your old sin-loving nature was buried with him by baptism when he died; and when God the Father, with glorious power, brought him back to life again, you were given his wonderful new life to enjoy.

    5 For you have become a part of him, and so you died with him, so to speak, when he died; and now you share his new life and shall rise as he did. 6 Your old evil desires were nailed to the cross with him; that part of you that loves to sin was crushed and fatally wounded, so that your sin-loving body is no longer under sin’s control, no longer needs to be a slave to sin; 7 for when you are deadened to sin you are freed from all its allure and its power over you. 8 And since your old sin-loving nature “died” with Christ, we know that you will share his new life. 9 Christ rose from the dead and will never die again. Death no longer has any power over him. 10 He died once for all to end sin’s power, but now he lives forever in unbroken fellowship with God. 11 So look upon your old sin nature as dead and unresponsive to sin, and instead be alive to God, alert to him, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    12 Do not let sin control your puny body any longer; do not give in to its sinful desires. 13 Do not let any part of your bodies become tools of wickedness, to be used for sinning; but give yourselves completely to God—every part of you—for you are back from death and you want to be tools in the hands of God, to be used for his good purposes. 14 Sin need never again be your master, for now you are no longer tied to the law where sin enslaves you, but you are free under God’s favor and mercy.

    15 Does this mean that now we can go ahead and sin and not worry about it? (For our salvation does not depend on keeping the law but on receiving God’s grace!) Of course not!

    16 Don’t you realize that you can choose your own master? You can choose sin (with death) or else obedience (with acquittal). The one to whom you offer yourself—he will take you and be your master, and you will be his slave. 17 Thank God that though you once chose to be slaves of sin, now you have obeyed with all your heart the teaching to which God has committed you. 18 And now you are free from your old master, sin; and you have become slaves to your new master, righteousness.

    19 I speak this way, using the illustration of slaves and masters, because it is easy to understand: just as you used to be slaves to all kinds of sin, so now you must let yourselves be slaves to all that is right and holy.

    20 In those days when you were slaves of sin you didn’t bother much with goodness. 21 And what was the result? Evidently not good, since you are ashamed now even to think about those things you used to do, for all of them end in eternal doom. 22 But now you are free from the power of sin and are slaves of God, and his benefits to you include holiness and everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    9 Christ rose from the dead and will never die again. Death no longer has any power over him.
    Once we think about Jesus dying for us and rising from the dead, by His own power, we can believe that Jesus has power over LIFE and DEATH.

    It is our fear of death that causes us to sin.

    See this thread that I just posted to understand this mystery.

    http://www.fortressoftruth.com/forum...&p=900#post900

    Grace to you
    Lou Newton
    Last edited by Lou Newton; September 27, 2014, 06:12 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Blane View Post
      3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
      4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
      5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
      6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

      7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
      8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
      9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
      10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
      11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
      12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
      Jesus never personally baptized anyone with H2O. When we were brought into the fold of God through faith in the Christ, the Son of God, we were baptized into his death though.
      Galatians 2
      20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

      If one is dead, and is free from sin, then why do they still find themselves sinning? How can one be free from sin, and still be a sinner?

      Grace to you,

      Travis

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Travis View Post
        Jesus never personally baptized anyone with H2O. When we were brought into the fold of God through faith in the Christ, the Son of God, we were baptized into his death though.
        Galatians 2
        20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

        If one is dead, and is free from sin, then why do they still find themselves sinning? How can one be free from sin, and still be a sinner?

        Grace to you,

        Travis
        Hi Blane and Travis,

        When a person has died in the natural, they are freed from sin. They no longer sin.

        When a person dies in the spirit and they are crucified with Christ, they are freed from sin in their spirit.

        Their flesh will always sin as long as they still are alive in the natural.

        Their souls will sin by being willful and believing error, and getting emotional over the wrong things.

        But they are free from sin in their spirit. Their spirit is saved and their spirit always wants to obey God. This is why we are told to walk in the spirit, and not the flesh.

        Their soul is being saved as they get older.

        Their flesh is beyond salvation, and they will get a new body when Jesus returns and they will be totally saved.

        Lou Newton
        Grace to you

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
          Reading this version should help some understand this chapter better.

          Romans 6 Living Bible (TLB)

          6 Well then, shall we keep on sinning so that God can keep on showing us more and more kindness and forgiveness?

          2-3 Of course not! Should we keep on sinning when we don’t have to? For sin’s power over us was broken when we became Christians and were baptized to become a part of Jesus Christ; through his death the power of your sinful nature was shattered. 4 Your old sin-loving nature was buried with him by baptism when he died; and when God the Father, with glorious power, brought him back to life again, you were given his wonderful new life to enjoy.

          5 For you have become a part of him, and so you died with him, so to speak, when he died; and now you share his new life and shall rise as he did. 6 Your old evil desires were nailed to the cross with him; that part of you that loves to sin was crushed and fatally wounded, so that your sin-loving body is no longer under sin’s control, no longer needs to be a slave to sin; 7 for when you are deadened to sin you are freed from all its allure and its power over you. 8 And since your old sin-loving nature “died” with Christ, we know that you will share his new life. 9 Christ rose from the dead and will never die again. Death no longer has any power over him. 10 He died once for all to end sin’s power, but now he lives forever in unbroken fellowship with God. 11 So look upon your old sin nature as dead and unresponsive to sin, and instead be alive to God, alert to him, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

          12 Do not let sin control your puny body any longer; do not give in to its sinful desires. 13 Do not let any part of your bodies become tools of wickedness, to be used for sinning; but give yourselves completely to God—every part of you—for you are back from death and you want to be tools in the hands of God, to be used for his good purposes. 14 Sin need never again be your master, for now you are no longer tied to the law where sin enslaves you, but you are free under God’s favor and mercy.

          15 Does this mean that now we can go ahead and sin and not worry about it? (For our salvation does not depend on keeping the law but on receiving God’s grace!) Of course not!

          16 Don’t you realize that you can choose your own master? You can choose sin (with death) or else obedience (with acquittal). The one to whom you offer yourself—he will take you and be your master, and you will be his slave. 17 Thank God that though you once chose to be slaves of sin, now you have obeyed with all your heart the teaching to which God has committed you. 18 And now you are free from your old master, sin; and you have become slaves to your new master, righteousness.

          19 I speak this way, using the illustration of slaves and masters, because it is easy to understand: just as you used to be slaves to all kinds of sin, so now you must let yourselves be slaves to all that is right and holy.

          20 In those days when you were slaves of sin you didn’t bother much with goodness. 21 And what was the result? Evidently not good, since you are ashamed now even to think about those things you used to do, for all of them end in eternal doom. 22 But now you are free from the power of sin and are slaves of God, and his benefits to you include holiness and everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.




          Once we think about Jesus dying for us and rising from the dead, by His own power, we can believe that Jesus has power over LIFE and DEATH.

          It is our fear of death that causes us to sin.

          See this thread that I just posted to understand this mystery.

          http://www.fortressoftruth.com/forum...&p=900#post900

          Grace to you
          Lou Newton
          9 Christ rose from the dead and will never die again. Death no longer has any power over him. 10 He died once for all to end sin’s power, but now he lives forever in unbroken fellowship with God.
          Sin is caused by our fear of death. We fear death, so we hang onto our life, instead of giving our life (second by second) to Jesus.

          But we need to remember that Jesus died and then raised HIMSELF from the dead. That should prove to us that Jesus has power over death. We do not have power over death. So we are far better off giving our life to Jesus than hanging onto it ourselves.

          So we have no reason to walk in the flesh. We can walk in the spirit and be freed from sin. For our spirit always wants to obey Jesus.

          The more we allow Jesus to crucify our flesh, the more we will be free from sin.

          The more we confess that we are sinful, the more we walk in the spirit.

          The more we confess that we are sinful, the more our flesh dies.

          There is only one baptism, that is the baptism of The Holy Spirit.

          Ephesians 4
          4 There is one body and one Spirit--just as you were called to one hope when you were called-- 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all
          This is the baptism Paul is speaking of in verses 2 & 3

          Lou Newton

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