Trying to reconcile these verses in John's Gospel...

[Blane]

We all know that scripture is true. Every verse. We also know that scripture cannot contradict scripture. In light of these two undeniable truths, I'm having trouble understanding how the following verses in the Gospel of John somehow fit together. They do fit together, of that I am certain. But I need help understanding how.

Here are the verses...

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; For I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.



Are these mysterious verses like geometry problems? The ones where several circles are all superimposed upon one another, and they all cover the same area, yet unique circles can still be viewed within the whole, at the same time? I could use some insight and understanding on this topic.

There are many other verses that could be included as well. These are just three I found in one Gospel.

Blane

[Lou Newton]

We all know that scripture is true. Every verse. We also know that scripture cannot contradict scripture. In light of these two undeniable truths, I'm having trouble understanding how the following verses in the Gospel of John somehow fit together. They do fit together, of that I am certain. But I need help understanding how.

Here are the verses...

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; For I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.



Are these mysterious verses like geometry problems? The ones where several circles are all superimposed upon one another, and they all cover the same area, yet unique circles can still be viewed within the whole, at the same time? I could use some insight and understanding on this topic.

There are many other verses that could be included as well. These are just three I found in one Gospel.

Blane

Hi Blane,

Jesus The Christ was both God and man.

As to His Godhood He was fully God in every way. He was in no way less than God Almighty in every way.

But as to His manhood he was a little lower than the angels.

Jesus came down from heaven to show us the nature of God.

He also came to show us how a man should live.

So His manhood was less than God and as a man he obeyed God in every way.

But as God he was simply God.

This fact seems to confuse most people. I know it did me until The Lord revealed this simply truth to me.

Sometime Jesus is speaking as a man. Sometimes he is speaking as God. He has the right to speak in either way.

Lou Newton

[Travis]

Jesus came down from heaven to show us the nature of God.

He also came to show us how a man should live.

True,

And even more so, Jesus came to pay for our sin at Calvary.

John 7
2 Now the Jews' Feast of Booths was at hand. 3 So his brothers said to him, "Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples also may see the works you are doing. 4 For no one works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world." 5 For not even his brothers believed in him. 6 Jesus said to them, "My time has not yet come, but your time is always here. 7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil. 8 You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come."

It seems Jesus, when "his time" had come though, he willingly decided to die at the hands of his Father, just as Isaac would have to his father, Abraham, had not God intervened. However, there was no one else to intervene for Christ.

Travis

[Blane]

Hi Blane,

Jesus The Christ was both God and man.

As to His Godhood He was fully God in every way. He was in no way less than God Almighty in every way.

But as to His manhood he was a little lower than the angels.

Jesus came down from heaven to show us the nature of God.

He also came to show us how a man should live.

So His manhood was less than God and as a man he obeyed God in every way.

But as God he was simply God.

This fact seems to confuse most people. I know it did me until The Lord revealed this simply truth to me.

Sometime Jesus is speaking as a man. Sometimes he is speaking as God. He has the right to speak in either way.

Lou Newton

Thanks Travis and Lou. Good stuff.

Lou, the sentence I highlighted above in blue brings another piece of the puzzle to mind. Your post fits perfectly with Phi 2:5-9...



^{5 [a]}Let the same mind be in you that was even in Christ Jesus,⁶ Who being in the ^[b]form of God, ^[c]thought it no robbery to be ^[d]equal with God:⁷ But he made himself of ^[e]no reputation, and took on him the ^[f]form of a servant, and was made like unto men, and was found in shape as a man.⁸ He humbled himself, and became obedient unto the death, even the death of the cross.^{9 [g]}Wherefore God hath also highly exalted him, and given him a ^[h]name above every name.

[Lou Newton]

Thanks Travis and Lou. Good stuff.

Lou, the sentence I highlighted above in blue brings another piece of the puzzle to mind. Your post fits perfectly with Phi 2:5-9...



^{5 [a]}Let the same mind be in you that was even in Christ Jesus,⁶ Who being in the ^[b]form of God, ^[c]thought it no robbery to be ^[d]equal with God:⁷ But he made himself of ^[e]no reputation, and took on him the ^[f]form of a servant, and was made like unto men, and was found in shape as a man.⁸ He humbled himself, and became obedient unto the death, even the death of the cross.^{9 [g]}Wherefore God hath also highly exalted him, and given him a ^[h]name above every name.

Amen. The more we understand certain "keys" to the scriptures than the more they are opened up to us.

This fact that Christ was BOTH the One God Almighty and also a man, leads many to believe that Jesus is less than God in some way. But if Jesus was less than God Almighty in any way, then he would not be God at all.

But scripture shows us that the child, who was born of a virgin ( Jesus) was God The Father and God Almighty.

Isaiah 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.

Lou Newton

[Blane]

Amen. The more we understand certain "keys" to the scriptures than the more they are opened up to us.

This fact that Christ was BOTH the One God Almighty and also a man, leads many to believe that Jesus is less than God in some way. But if Jesus was less than God Almighty in any way, then he would not be God at all.

But scripture shows us that the child, who was born of a virgin ( Jesus) was God The Father and God Almighty.



Lou Newton

I'm bumping this 2014 thread after reading some of the Holy Spirit thread last night for the first time since I posted the Michael Pearl Trinity video on Jan 9th. I don't feel it would be fair of me to post on the other thread until I have time to read and pray about what has been written. I guess I share Fisherman's sentiments on The Trinity thread. That is, this topic continues to baffle me. I long for resolution on this magnificent theme of scripture...The Godhead. In retrospect, I think I was hoping that Lou might agree with what Michael Pearl stated in his 18 min explanation of The so called Trinity Doctrine. Or The Godhead, the term scripture uses when addressing this topic. I say that because I'm able to make sense of Pearl's explanation, at least somewhat. I suppose I still don't understand why Lou rejects Pearl's explanation. Maybe I will understand after I read, pray, and reread the other thread.

Have a blessed day everyone.

Your brother,

Blane

[Lou Newton]

I'm bumping this 2014 thread after reading some of the Holy Spirit thread last night for the first time since I posted the Michael Pearl Trinity video on Jan 9th. I don't feel it would be fair of me to post on the other thread until I have time to read and pray about what has been written. I guess I share Fisherman's sentiments on The Trinity thread. That is, this topic continues to baffle me. I long for resolution on this magnificent theme of scripture...The Godhead. In retrospect, I think I was hoping that Lou might agree with what Michael Pearl stated in his 18 min explanation of The so called Trinity Doctrine. Or The Godhead, the term scripture uses when addressing this topic. I say that because I'm able to make sense of Pearl's explanation, at least somewhat. I suppose I still don't understand why Lou rejects Pearl's explanation. Maybe I will understand after I read, pray, and reread the other thread.

Have a blessed day everyone.

Your brother,

Blane

So good to hear from you Blane.