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    Melchizedek as a nickname title for Shem, the son of Noah.
    Melchizedek (מלכי־צדק)

    This idea is from the 6th century CE Chazalic literature –
    Specifically:
    Targum Jonathan, Targum Yerushalmi, and the Babylonian Talmud –
    presents the name (מלכי־צדק) Melchizedek as a nickname title for Shem, the son of Noah.

  • #2
    But that's like nicknaming your son Archangel or Messiah isn't it? Doesn't seem right.

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    • #3
      Hi, Glen. If there is good evidence for a correlation, wouldn't textual scholars would have picked up on it long ago? Many traditions recorded in the Talmud are strange, even grossly heretical, but strange and heretical doesn't stop textual scholars from mining any ancient texts for clues about that era in order to inform the reading of Scripture.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Baruch View Post
        Hi, Glen. If there is good evidence for a correlation, wouldn't textual scholars would have picked up on it long ago? Many traditions recorded in the Talmud are strange, even grossly heretical, but strange and heretical doesn't stop textual scholars from mining any ancient texts for clues about that era in order to inform the reading of Scripture.
        Agree. This is just another tidbit concerning Judaism in the first millennium after Christ.

        For me, what comes to mind is the Masoretic Text of the Old Testament the Jews produced. These Jewish scholars held an obstinate bias against Christianity. However, in spite of this, nearly all modern English versions of the Bible use the Masoretic Text of the Old Testament for their source. I suspect that Christians would be better served if they were to use an English version translating the Greek Septuagint (LXX). The Greek Septuagint translations made from the Hebrew and Aramaic manuscripts are roughly from the 2nd century B.C. which is 800 to 1100 years earlier then the Masoretic Text . . . . . and were translated from texts when the Jews still expected their soon arriving Messiah.

        The choice that modern Christian scholarship, translators, and publishers prefer the Masoretic Text of the Old Testament is a demonstration for me that there is an academic conspiracy to reduce the Bible to just the compositions by religious men.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Steve Hollander View Post
          But that's like nicknaming your son Archangel or Messiah isn't it? Doesn't seem right.
          Agree.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Steve Hollander View Post
            But that's like nicknaming your son Archangel or Messiah isn't it? Doesn't seem right.
            There was a mere man who was King over Jerusalem, that used to be called Salem, and Melchizedek ( King of Righteousness in Hebrew) was King then. So this mere man took the title of Lord of Righteousness ( Adoni-zedek ) that means the same as King of Righteousness. Who took this title in truth, and who was the false King ? The Lord makes this very clear:

            Joshua 10 New International Version (NIV)

            The Sun Stands Still


            10 Now Adoni-Zedek king of Jerusalem heard that Joshua had taken Aiand totally destroyed it, doing to Ai and its king as he had done to Jericho and its king, and that the people of Gibeon had made a treaty of peace with Israel and had become their allies. 2 He and his people were very much alarmed at this, because Gibeon was an important city, like one of the royal cities; it was larger than Ai, and all its men were good fighters. 3 So Adoni-Zedek king of Jerusalem appealed to Hoham king of Hebron, Piram king of Jarmuth, Japhia king of Lachish and Debir king of Eglon. 4 “Come up and help me attack Gibeon,” he said, “because it has made peace with Joshua and the Israelites.”

            5 Then the five kings of the Amorites—the kings of Jerusalem, Hebron, Jarmuth, Lachish and Eglon—joined forces. They moved up with all their troops and took up positions against Gibeon and attacked it.

            6 The Gibeonites then sent word to Joshua in the camp at Gilgal: “Do not abandon your servants. Come up to us quickly and save us! Help us, because all the Amorite kings from the hill country have joined forces against us.”

            7 So Joshua marched up from Gilgal with his entire army, including all the best fighting men. 8 The Lord said to Joshua, “Do not be afraid of them; I have given them into your hand. Not one of them will be able to withstand you.”

            9 After an all-night march from Gilgal, Joshua took them by surprise.10 The Lord threw them into confusion before Israel, so Joshua and the Israelites defeated them completely at Gibeon. Israel pursued them along the road going up to Beth Horon and cut them down all the way to Azekah and Makkedah. 11 As they fled before Israel on the road down from Beth Horon to Azekah, the Lord hurled large hailstones down on them, and more of them died from the hail than were killed by the swords of the Israelites.

            12 On the day the Lord gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the Lord in the presence of Israel:

            “Sun, stand still over Gibeon,
            and you, moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.”
            13So the sun stood still,
            and the moon stopped,
            till the nation avenged itself on its enemies,


            as it is written in the Book of Jashar.

            The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day. 14 There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the Lord listened to a human being. Surely the Lord was fighting for Israel!

            15 Then Joshua returned with all Israel to the camp at Gilgal.

            Five Amorite Kings Killed


            16 Now the five kings had fled and hidden in the cave at Makkedah.17 When Joshua was told that the five kings had been found hiding in the cave at Makkedah, 18 he said, “Roll large rocks up to the mouth of the cave, and post some men there to guard it. 19 But don’t stop; pursue your enemies! Attack them from the rear and don’t let them reach their cities, for the Lord your God has given them into your hand.”

            20 So Joshua and the Israelites defeated them completely, but a few survivors managed to reach their fortified cities. 21 The whole army then returned safely to Joshua in the camp at Makkedah, and no one uttered a word against the Israelites.

            22 Joshua said, “Open the mouth of the cave and bring those five kings out to me.” 23 So they brought the five kings out of the cave—the kings of Jerusalem, Hebron, Jarmuth, Lachish and Eglon. 24 When they had brought these kings to Joshua, he summoned all the men of Israel and said to the army commanders who had come with him, “Come here and put your feet on the necks of these kings.” So they came forward and placed their feet on their necks.

            25 Joshua said to them, “Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged. Be strong and courageous. This is what the Lord will do to all the enemies you are going to fight.” 26 Then Joshua put the kings to death and exposed their bodies on five poles, and they were left hanging on the poles until evening.

            27 At sunset Joshua gave the order and they took them down from the poles and threw them into the cave where they had been hiding. At the mouth of the cave they placed large rocks, which are there to this day.

            The Lord stopped the sun in the sky so Joshua could destroy this false King who was arrogant enough to call himself Adoni-zedek ( or Lord of Righteousness) There is but one and only one Lord of Righteousness and that is God Almighty.

            Instead this is what The Lord tells us about Melchizedek:

            Genesis 14

            17 After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer and the kings allied with him, the king of Sodom came out to meet him in the Valley of Shaveh (that is, the King’s Valley).

            18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, 19 and he blessed Abram, saying,

            “Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
            Creator of heaven and earth.
            20 And praise be to God Most High,
            who delivered your enemies into your hand.”

            Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.


            David says this about this about Melchizedek:
            Psalm 110

            Of David. A psalm.


            1 The Lord says to my lord:

            “Sit at my right hand
            until I make your enemies
            a footstool for your feet.”

            2 The Lord will extend your mighty scepter from Zion, saying,
            “Rule in the midst of your enemies!”
            3 Your troops will be willing
            on your day of battle.
            Arrayed in holy splendor,
            your young men will come to you
            like dew from the morning’s womb.

            4 The Lord has sworn
            and will not change his mind:
            “You are a priest forever,
            in the order of Melchizedek.”


            So we see that The Lord has sworn that the Christ is a Priest forever the same way Melchizedek is a Priest forever. Forever means always was a Priest, is a Priest, and always will be a Priest. No mere man can fulfill this promise made by God. No mere man has always existed, does exist, and always will exist. To fulfill this, Melchizedek, would have to have no beginning and no end. Only God qualifies for that position.

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            • #7
              Hebrews 7 New International Version (NIV)

              Melchizedek the Priest


              7 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy,without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

              4Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! 5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham.6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. 7 And without doubt the lesser is blessed by the greater. 8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. 9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor. Jesus Like Melchizedek


              11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. 13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah,and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life.17 For it is declared:

              “You are a priest forever,
              in the order of Melchizedek.”


              18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

              20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:

              “The Lord has sworn
              and will not change his mind:
              ‘You are a priest forever.’”

              22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.

              23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completelythose who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

              26 Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

              Every time I read the account about Melchizedek, I wonder why God allowed these evil men to take over Salem and why He left Salem.

              I did not see until just now. If Melchizedek would have stayed He would either had to reveal His power and glory to protect Himself from these evil men, OR He would have to had let them kill Him.

              It was not the time for either to take place. He would shed His blood two thousand year ago and He will return in Power and Glory soon.

              The fact that God ruled as King of Salem , is why Jerusalem is called the City of The Great King:

              Psalm 48

              A song. A psalm of the Sons of Korah.


              1 Great is the Lord, and most worthy of praise,
              in the city of our God, his holy mountain.

              2 Beautiful in its loftiness,
              the joy of the whole earth,
              like the heights of Zaphon is Mount Zion,
              the city of the Great King.

              Matthew 5 ( Jesus is speaking)


              33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ 34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.


              Lou Newton
              Last edited by Lou Newton; June 5th, 2017, 10:24 PM.

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              • #8
                Just wondered what the thoughts were by anyone about the last posts I made on this subject.

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                • #9
                  A scholarly perspective on the apostle's meaning. This mentions Shem, though not in the way specified in Glen's original post. Personally, I think this is reasonable. Dispelling some of the mystery may be a good thing.

                  http://www.biblestudytools.com/comme...brews-7-3.html

                  Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent
                  Which is to be understood not of his person, but of his priesthood; that his father was not a priest, nor did his mother descend from any in that office; nor had he either a predecessor or a successor in it, as appears from any authentic accounts: or this is to be interpreted, not of his natural, but scriptural being; for no doubt, as he was a mere man, he had a father, and a mother, and a natural lineage and descent; but of these no mention is made in Scripture, and therefore said to be without them; and so the Syriac version renders it; "whose father and mother are not written in the genealogies"; or there is no genealogical account of them. The Arabic writers tell us who his father and his mother were; some of them say that Peleg was his father: so Elmacinus {d}, his words are these; Peleg lived after he begat Rehu two hundred and nine years; afterwards he begat Melchizedek, the priest whom we have now made mention of. Patricides F5, another of their writers, expresses himself after this manner

                  ``they who say Melchizedek had neither beginning of days, nor end of life, and argue from the words of the Apostle Paul, asserting the same, do not rightly understand the saying of the Apostle Paul; for Shem, the son of Noah, after he had taken Melchizedek, and withdrew him from his parents, did not set down in writing how old he was, when he went into the east, nor what was his age when he died; but Melchizedek was the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Salah, the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah; and yet none of those patriarchs is called his father. This only the Apostle Paul means, that none of his family served in the temple, nor were children and tribes assigned to him. Matthew and Luke the evangelists only relate the heads of tribes: hence the Apostle Paul does not write the name of his father, nor the name of his mother.''

                  [skipping many details and explorations of various genealogy studies]

                  [...] Some Greek F9 writers say he was of the lineage of Sidus, the son of Aegyptus, a king of Lybia, from whence the Egyptians are called: this Sidus, they say, came out of Egypt into the country of the Canaanitish nations, now called Palestine, and subdued it, and dwelled in it, and built a city, which he called Sidon, after his own name: but all this is on purpose concealed, that he might be a more apparent of Christ, who, as man, is "without father"; for though, as God, he has a Father, and was never without one, being begotten by him, and was always with him, and in him; by whom he was sent, from whom he came, and whither he is gone; to whom he is the way, and with whom he is an advocate: yet, as man, he had no father; Joseph was his reputed father only; nor was the Holy Ghost his Father; nor is he ever said to be begotten as man, but was born of a virgin. Some of the Jewish writers themselves say, that the Redeemer, whom God will raise up, shall be without father F10. And he is without mother, though not in a spiritual sense, every believer being so to him as such; nor in a natural sense, as man, for the Virgin Mary was his mother; but in a divine sense, as God: and he is "without descent or genealogy"; not as man, for there is a genealogical account of him as such, in ( Matthew 1:1-17 ) ( Luke 3:23-38 ) and his pedigree and kindred were well known to the Jews; but as God; and this distinguishes him from the gods of the Heathens, who were genealogized by them, as may be seen in Hesiod, Apollodorus, Hyginus, and other writers; and this condemns the blasphemous genealogies of the Gnostics and Valentinians. It follows,

                  having neither beginning of days, nor end of life;
                  that is, there is no account which shows when he was born, or when he died; and in this he was a type of Christ, who has no beginning of days, was from the beginning, and in the beginning, and is the beginning, and was from everlasting; as appears from his nature as God, from his names, from his office as Mediator, and from his concern in the council and covenant of peace, and in the election of his people; and he has no end of life, both as God and man; he is the living God; and though as man he died once, he will die no more, but lives for ever. It is further said of Melchizedek,

                  but made like unto the Son of God:
                  in the above things; from whence it appears, that he is not the Son of God; and that Christ, as the Son of God, existed before him, and therefore could not take this character from his incarnation or resurrection:

                  abideth a priest continually;
                  not in person, but in his antitype Christ Jesus; for there never will be any change of Christ's priesthood; nor will it ever be transferred to another; the virtue and efficacy of it will continue for ever; and he will ever live to make intercession; and will always bear the glory of his being both priest and King upon his throne: the Syriac version renders it, "his priesthood abides for ever"; which is true both of Melchizedek and of Christ.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Baruch View Post
                    A scholarly perspective on the apostle's meaning. This mentions Shem, though not in the way specified in Glen's original post. Personally, I think this is reasonable. Dispelling some of the mystery may be a good thing.

                    http://www.biblestudytools.com/comme...brews-7-3.html

                    Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent
                    Which is to be understood not of his person, but of his priesthood; that his father was not a priest, nor did his mother descend from any in that office; nor had he either a predecessor or a successor in it, as appears from any authentic accounts: or this is to be interpreted, not of his natural, but scriptural being; for no doubt, as he was a mere man, he had a father, and a mother, and a natural lineage and descent; but of these no mention is made in Scripture, and therefore said to be without them; and so the Syriac version renders it; "whose father and mother are not written in the genealogies"; or there is no genealogical account of them. The Arabic writers tell us who his father and his mother were; some of them say that Peleg was his father: so Elmacinus {d}, his words are these; Peleg lived after he begat Rehu two hundred and nine years; afterwards he begat Melchizedek, the priest whom we have now made mention of. Patricides F5, another of their writers, expresses himself after this manner

                    ``they who say Melchizedek had neither beginning of days, nor end of life, and argue from the words of the Apostle Paul, asserting the same, do not rightly understand the saying of the Apostle Paul; for Shem, the son of Noah, after he had taken Melchizedek, and withdrew him from his parents, did not set down in writing how old he was, when he went into the east, nor what was his age when he died; but Melchizedek was the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Salah, the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah; and yet none of those patriarchs is called his father. This only the Apostle Paul means, that none of his family served in the temple, nor were children and tribes assigned to him. Matthew and Luke the evangelists only relate the heads of tribes: hence the Apostle Paul does not write the name of his father, nor the name of his mother.''

                    [skipping many details and explorations of various genealogy studies]

                    [...] Some Greek F9 writers say he was of the lineage of Sidus, the son of Aegyptus, a king of Lybia, from whence the Egyptians are called: this Sidus, they say, came out of Egypt into the country of the Canaanitish nations, now called Palestine, and subdued it, and dwelled in it, and built a city, which he called Sidon, after his own name: but all this is on purpose concealed, that he might be a more apparent of Christ, who, as man, is "without father"; for though, as God, he has a Father, and was never without one, being begotten by him, and was always with him, and in him; by whom he was sent, from whom he came, and whither he is gone; to whom he is the way, and with whom he is an advocate: yet, as man, he had no father; Joseph was his reputed father only; nor was the Holy Ghost his Father; nor is he ever said to be begotten as man, but was born of a virgin. Some of the Jewish writers themselves say, that the Redeemer, whom God will raise up, shall be without father F10. And he is without mother, though not in a spiritual sense, every believer being so to him as such; nor in a natural sense, as man, for the Virgin Mary was his mother; but in a divine sense, as God: and he is "without descent or genealogy"; not as man, for there is a genealogical account of him as such, in ( Matthew 1:1-17 ) ( Luke 3:23-38 ) and his pedigree and kindred were well known to the Jews; but as God; and this distinguishes him from the gods of the Heathens, who were genealogized by them, as may be seen in Hesiod, Apollodorus, Hyginus, and other writers; and this condemns the blasphemous genealogies of the Gnostics and Valentinians. It follows,

                    having neither beginning of days, nor end of life;
                    that is, there is no account which shows when he was born, or when he died; and in this he was a type of Christ, who has no beginning of days, was from the beginning, and in the beginning, and is the beginning, and was from everlasting; as appears from his nature as God, from his names, from his office as Mediator, and from his concern in the council and covenant of peace, and in the election of his people; and he has no end of life, both as God and man; he is the living God; and though as man he died once, he will die no more, but lives for ever. It is further said of Melchizedek,

                    but made like unto the Son of God:
                    in the above things; from whence it appears, that he is not the Son of God; and that Christ, as the Son of God, existed before him, and therefore could not take this character from his incarnation or resurrection:

                    abideth a priest continually;
                    not in person, but in his antitype Christ Jesus; for there never will be any change of Christ's priesthood; nor will it ever be transferred to another; the virtue and efficacy of it will continue for ever; and he will ever live to make intercession; and will always bear the glory of his being both priest and King upon his throne: the Syriac version renders it, "his priesthood abides for ever"; which is true both of Melchizedek and of Christ.
                    Hi Barry,

                    Here is one point to consider:

                    If it was OK for a mere man to call himself The King of Righteousness, then it would certainly also be OK for the mere man, called Pope, to call himself the Holy Father.

                    God made it perfectly clear what He thought about a mere man doing so. When a mere man called himself the Lord of Righteousness, God stopped the sun in the sky for a whole day so Joshua could find him and have him killed.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post

                      Hi Barry,

                      Here is one point to consider:

                      If it was OK for a mere man to call himself The King of Righteousness, then it would certainly also be OK for the mere man, called Pope, to call himself the Holy Father.

                      God made it perfectly clear what He thought about a mere man doing so. When a mere man called himself the Lord of Righteousness, God stopped the sun in the sky for a whole day so Joshua could find him and have him killed.
                      There were many in the Old Testament who were given compound names containing similar conjunctions such as father, king, righteousness, etc. and they were not struck down. It was considered a dedication, an expression of hope, or a namesake just as we do. We name our unborn babies Michael, "who is like God", as did the ancient Hebrews who were very careful to use euphemisms when referring to God, and "unpleasant" things. Did God destroy the evil king because he called himself Lord of Righteousness? Or because of the great evil that the man did (we may be confident it wasn't a one-time offense), and brought shame upon the appellations "king" and "righteousness". And because he transgressed against Abram's family, Abram took up their cause in their distress, and YHWH was with Abram (with hints of captivity and exodus)?
                      Last edited by Baruch; September 12th, 2017, 07:06 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Every important man in the Bible has his birth and death listed. God shows that the man has a beginning and an end:
                        Genesis 5New International Version (NIV)

                        From Adam to Noah


                        5 This is the written account of Adam’s family line.

                        When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind”[a] when they were created.

                        3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

                        6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father[b] of Enosh.7 After he became the father of Enosh, Seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters. 8 Altogether, Seth lived a total of 912 years, and then he died.

                        9 When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan.10 After he became the father of Kenan, Enosh lived 815 years and had other sons and daughters. 11 Altogether, Enosh lived a total of 905 years, and then he died.

                        12 When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel.13 After he became the father of Mahalalel, Kenan lived 840 years and had other sons and daughters. 14 Altogether, Kenan lived a total of 910 years, and then he died.

                        15 When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared.16 After he became the father of Jared, Mahalalel lived 830 years and had other sons and daughters. 17 Altogether, Mahalalel lived a total of 895 years, and then he died.

                        18 When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch.19 After he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived a total of 962 years, and then he died.

                        21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah.22 After he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked faithfully with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God;then he was no more, because God took him away.

                        25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 After he became the father of Lamech, Methuselah lived 782 years and had other sons and daughters. 27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.

                        28 When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah[c] and said, “He will comfort us in the labor and painful toil of our hands caused by the ground the Lord has cursed.” 30 After Noah was born, Lamech lived 595 years and had other sons and daughters.31 Altogether, Lamech lived a total of 777 years, and then he died.

                        28 After the flood Noah lived 350 years. 29Noah lived a total of 950 years, and then he died. From Shem to Abram

                        10 This is the account of Shem’s family line.

                        Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father[d] of Arphaxad. 11 And after he became the father of Arphaxad, Shem lived 500 years and had other sons and daughters.

                        12 When Arphaxad had lived 35 years, he became the father of Shelah.13 And after he became the father of Shelah, Arphaxad lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.[e]

                        14 When Shelah had lived 30 years, he became the father of Eber. 15 And after he became the father of Eber, Shelah lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.

                        16 When Eber had lived 34 years, he became the father of Peleg. 17 And after he became the father of Peleg, Eber lived 430 years and had other sons and daughters.

                        18 When Peleg had lived 30 years, he became the father of Reu. 19 And after he became the father of Reu, Peleg lived 209 years and had other sons and daughters.

                        20 When Reu had lived 32 years, he became the father of Serug. 21 And after he became the father of Serug, Reu lived 207 years and had other sons and daughters.

                        22 When Serug had lived 30 years, he became the father of Nahor. 23 And after he became the father of Nahor, Serug lived 200 years and had other sons and daughters.

                        24 When Nahor had lived 29 years, he became the father of Terah. 25 And after he became the father of Terah, Nahor lived 119 years and had other sons and daughters.

                        26 After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahorand Haran.


                        32 Terah lived 205 years, and he died in Harran.

                        7Abraham lived a hundred and seventy-five years. 8 Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, an old man and full of years; and he was gathered to his people.

                        We can see that God shows that every mere man has a beginning and an end.

                        There is not even ONE mere man that God says has no beginning and no end.

                        But no birth and no death is given for The King of Righteousness ( Melchizedek )

                        In fact far different id written about him:

                        First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3Without father or mother, without genealogy,without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

                        Is God trying to confuse us, or does God plainly say what He means. If Melchizedek has a beginning of days or end of life, then God's words mean nothing.

                        For God clearly says that Melchizedek has no beginning and no end.

                        If the writer of Hebrews says that Melchizedek has no beginning and no end only because none is written about him, then the writer makes a terrible assumption, which would mean it is not inspired by God.

                        But if the writer of Hebrews simply and clearly writes the whole truth, then it is inspired and the Bible is dependable.
                        Last edited by Lou Newton; September 12th, 2017, 09:50 PM.

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