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    Handel's Messiah I-12 For unto us a Child is born (composed in 1741 by George Frideric Handel)





    Below is the Holy Scripture that these people are singing:

    Isaiah 9:6 King James Version (KJV)

    6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    Notice that one of the Names that God gives the child that will be given unto us ( Jesus) is THE EVERLASTING FATHER.

    1st - that says that God calls the child Jesus, The Father.

    2nd - it tells us that Jesus is the EVERLASTING Father. Jesus always has been the Father, and is The Father, and always will be The Father.

    3rd - God tells uses the definite article THE. Which means God says Jesus is The One and Only Everlasting Father.

    It seems that people that sing this song and speak this scripture do not stop and think about what God is saying here.


    Lou Newton

  • #2
    Howdy,

    Emanuel is aptly named:

    His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

    I don't read Hebrew, so I don't know for certain, either way, if there is a definite article supposed to be there in English or not.

    The word trinity doesn't appear in the scriptures. Trinity is a combination word that apparently someone thought up. Trinity > Tri-Unity > Three and One.

    God is one. That is a true statement. God is three. That is a true statement as well. One should never be neglected for the other, because both are true.

    I don't plan on understanding this with my human understanding any time soon. I don't expect the same of anyone else either.

    Every word of scripture is God-breathed and Isaiah 9:6 is no exception. It is an awesome verse.

    Thanks for bringing it up,

    Blessings,

    Travis

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Travis View Post
      Howdy,

      Emanuel is aptly named:

      His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

      I don't read Hebrew, so I don't know for certain, either way, if there is a definite article supposed to be there in English or not.

      The word trinity doesn't appear in the scriptures. Trinity is a combination word that apparently someone thought up. Trinity > Tri-Unity > Three and One.

      God is one. That is a true statement. God is three. That is a true statement as well. One should never be neglected for the other, because both are true.

      I don't plan on understanding this with my human understanding any time soon. I don't expect the same of anyone else either.

      Every word of scripture is God-breathed and Isaiah 9:6 is no exception. It is an awesome verse.

      Thanks for bringing it up,

      Blessings,

      Travis
      Hi Travis,

      Good to hear from you. Thanks for the reply.

      First of all - Trinity does not mean "three and one" it means "three in one"

      If the child Jesus, is also The Father then how is He two.

      Some claim that The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all different persons. But that would make three gods.

      But if Jesus is The Father as Isaiah 9: 6 says, then how is Jesus two.

      I am a father, a son, and a brother, but no one has ever suggested that I am three persons.

      The Holy Scriptures call The Holy Spirit - The Holy Spirit of The Father and the Holy Spirit of Christ. Is there two Holy Spirits. Of course there is only one. Which means that The Father and The Son are the same one God.

      Jesus tells us this is the MOST IMPORTANT COMMAND OF GOD:

      Mark 12

      29"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one


      Now certainly Jesus could have said that God was ONE and also THREE. BUT He did not do so.

      If one researches the Trinity doctrine it was started to appease the Roman people who worshiped a family of gods. They had a father god and a mother and sons. That is why the RC church made Mary the mother of God.

      You write:

      God is one. That is a true statement. God is three. That is a true statement as well. One should never be neglected for the other, because both are true.
      So why did Jesus neglect one for the other ?



      Lou
      Last edited by Lou Newton; August 18, 2015, 09:30 PM.

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      • #4
        There is a popular misconception that God is three different persons.

        If this is true, why would Jesus never clearly say that this was true.

        If Jesus and the Father are two different persons, than it was not the Father that came down and was born of a woman.

        If Jesus and the Father are two different persons, than Jesus is not fully God.

        This is just Jehovah Witness "lite" and really is saying that God the Father did not save us; but another person saved us.

        Jesus said He is the FIRST. If Jesus is NOT The Father, then that would make The Father second.

        Jesus is fully God is every way. Jesus lacks nothing of God.

        You can not make God three parts and say that Jesus is then all of God.

        Now Jesus was BOTH God and Man. He was fully man, and fully God.

        This is what brings the confusion to many. They read what Jesus says as a Man, and then think He can not be fully God.

        As a man, Jesus was less than God. His manhood was a little lower than the angels. So of course when speaking as an example of how men should live, Jesus spoke as one a little lower than the angels.

        But His Godhood was God Almighty or we are not saved.

        Only God is Righteous and only He can pay for sin.

        Now I am a son, a father, and a brother.

        But I am NOT three persons. I am fully a son. It is not part of me that is a son, but all of me that is a son.

        The fact that I am a son, makes me a better father. But it is not only part of me that is a father, but all of me is a father.

        Me, as a son became a brother. Me as a son and a brother became a father.

        My whole being is a son. Also my whole being is a father.

        We should not follow tradition, but we should follow The Holy Spirit as He speaks to us in the Holy Scriptures.

        In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.


        Who is God in this verse, if not The Father. For it is the fact that He created us that makes Him our Father.

        But Jesus clearly tells us that He created everything that exists and nothing exists that He did not create:

        Col 1
        The Supremacy of Christ

        15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
        16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
        17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
        18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
        19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
        20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
        Now if Jesus created all things, then Jesus is The Creator, or The Father.

        As to the manhood of Jesus, He was born a little lower than the angels.

        As to the Godhood of Jesus, He is fully and totally God Almighty, or the Father.

        If we believe that The Father and Jesus are two different persons, than how are we much different than the JW.

        For the JW believes that Jehovah is the Father, and Jesus is His Only begotten son. They believe they are two different persons.

        How is that any different than believing that Jesus and The Father are two different persons ?


        Grace to you
        Lou Newton

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        • #5
          Isaiah 9:6 King James Version (KJV)

          6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

          Some are questioning if God really means what he says in Isaiah 9:6.

          God tells us that everything should be established by more than one witness.

          In Isaiah 9:6 God tells us that the child, Jesus, is the Father.

          I offer, not the testimony of mere men, but the word of God.

          But in Isaiah 43, God The Father, tell us that He is the chosen servant ( Jesus) and He is The Only Savior. There is no other:

          Israel's Only Savior

          1 But now, this is what the LORD says-- he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: "Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine.
          2 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze.
          3For I am the LORD, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I give Egypt for your ransom, Cush and Seba in your stead.
          4 Since you are precious and honored in my sight, and because I love you, I will give men in exchange for you, and people in exchange for your life.
          5 Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west.
          6 I will say to the north, 'Give them up!' and to the south, 'Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth--
          7 everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made."
          8 Lead out those who have eyes but are blind, who have ears but are deaf.
          9 All the nations gather together and the peoples assemble. Which of them foretold this and proclaimed to us the former things? Let them bring in their witnesses to prove they were right, so that others may hear and say, "It is true."
          10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.
          11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.
          12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed-- I, and not some foreign god among you. You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "that I am God.
          13 Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?"


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          • #6
            Are the words that Jesus spoke totally true ?

            Is Jesus really The Word of God ?

            Let us look at the words that Jesus spoke about who He is.

            John 14

            Jesus the Way to the Father

            5 Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
            6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
            7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
            8 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
            9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
            10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
            11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
            12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
            13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father.
            14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

            As to His manhood, Jesus was totally a man. As`a man, he was less than God of course. He sometimes spoke and acted as a man to be an example as how men should live.

            As to His Godhood, Jesus was the One and Only God Almighty. There is only ONE God. The whole Bible tells us this. There are not three Gods, but ONE God. God appears to us as The Father on the throne, The Son who died for us, and The Holy Spirit. But God is ONE as Jesus said was the most important command of God.

            God Almighty, The Father, became flesh to die for us; so that we would know that God Almighty loves us.

            Satan has but one job to deceive those that have decided to follow Christ.

            He has been successful in this with the JW. They make Jesus, the Son of God, BUT NOT GOD ALMIGHTY.

            So the JW say that it was NOT God Almighty who died for us.

            The RCC has done the same. They make Jesus a little baby and a minor god who died for us. They make God The Father and His mother Mary the major Gods. So they claim that God Almighty did not die for us.

            When some separated from the RCC, they took this error with them.

            It was NOT some lessor God in any way who died for us.

            It was The One and Only God Almighty who came down from heaven and was born of a woman and shed His blood for us. He did this so that we would know that God Almighty loves us.

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            • #7
              Isaiah 9:6 in many English translations

              For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

              For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father [of Eternity], Prince of Peace.

              For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

              A child is born to us, a son is given to us, and authority will be on his shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

              in order to extend the dominion and perpetuate the peace of the throne and kingdom of David, to secure it and sustain it through justice and righteousness henceforth and forever. The zeal of Adonai-Tzva’ot will accomplish this.

              A child has been born for us. We have been given a son who will be our ruler. His names will be Wonderful Advisor and Mighty God, Eternal Father and Prince of Peace.

              For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name is called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.

              For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace.

              This will happen when the special child is born. God will give us a son who will be responsible for leading the people. His name will be “Wonderful Counselor, Powerful God, Father Who Lives Forever, Prince of Peace.”

              For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              A child �has been [or will be; C the prophet views the future as though it had already happened] born to us; �God has given a son [L a son has been given] to us. �He will be responsible for leading the people [L The government/rule/dominion will be on his shoulder]. His name will be �Wonderful Counselor [or Wonderful! Counselor!; orExtraordinary Advisor], �Powerful [Mighty] God, �Father Who Lives Forever [Eternal Father], Prince of Peace.

              For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.

              A child will be born for us. A son will be given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. He will be named: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              A child is born to us! A son is given to us! And he will be our ruler. He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,” “Mighty God,” “Eternal Father,” “Prince of Peace.”

              For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, and the government will be on His shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

              A child will be born to us. God will give a son to us. He will be responsible for leading the people. His name will be Wonderful Counselor, Powerful God, Father Who Lives Forever, Prince of Peace.

              For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government is placed upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called The Wonderful One, The Counsellor, The God, The Mighty One, The Eternal Father, The Prince of Peace.

              For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

              For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

              For a child has been born for us; a son has been given to us. And the dominion will be on his shoulder, and his name is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              For unto us a child is born; unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder. These will be his royal titles: “Wonderful,” “Counselor,” “The Mighty God,” “The Everlasting Father,” “The Prince of Peace.”

              The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light. For those who lived in a land of deep shadows— light! sunbursts of light! You repopulated the nation, you expanded its joy. Oh, they’re so glad in your presence! Festival joy! The joy of a great celebration, sharing rich gifts and warm greetings. The abuse of oppressors and cruelty of tyrants— all their whips and cudgels and curses— Is gone, done away with, a deliverance as surprising and sudden as Gideon’s old victory over Midian. The boots of all those invading troops, along with their shirts soaked with innocent blood, Will be piled in a heap and burned, a fire that will burn for days! For a child has been born—for us! the gift of a son—for us! He’ll take over the running of the world. His names will be: Amazing Counselor, Strong God, Eternal Father, Prince of Wholeness. His ruling authority will grow, and there’ll be no limits to the wholeness he brings. He’ll rule from the historic David throne over that promised kingdom. He’ll put that kingdom on a firm footing and keep it going With fair dealing and right living, beginning now and lasting always. The zeal of God-of-the-Angel-Armies will do all this.

              For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder. And his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

              A child will be born for us. A son will be given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. He will be named: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Sar Shalom.

              His dominion is vast and forever peaceful, Upon David’s throne, and over his kingdom, which he confirms and sustains By judgment and justice, both now and forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this!

              For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

              A child has been born to us; God has given a son to us. He will be responsible for leading the people. His name will be Wonderful Counselor, Powerful God, Father Who Lives Forever, Prince of Peace.

              For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us. He shoulders responsibility and is called: Extraordinary Strategist, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              A child will be born to us. A son will be given to us. He will rule over us. And he will be called Wonderful Adviser and Mighty God. He will also be called Father Who Lives Forever and Prince Who Brings Peace.

              For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              For to us a Child will be born. To us a Son will be given. And the rule of the nations will be on His shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Teacher, Powerful God, Father Who Lives Forever, Prince of Peace.

              For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              For a child has been born for us, a son given to us; authority rests upon his shoulders; and he is named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              For a child has been born for us, a son given to us; authority rests upon his shoulders; and he is named Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              For a child has been born for us, a son given to us; authority rests upon his shoulders; and he is named Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              For a child has been born for us, a son given to us; authority rests upon his shoulders; and he is named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty G-d), Avi Ad (Possessor of Eternity), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace).

              For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called “Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

              For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called “Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

              Hope of all hopes, dream of our dreams, a child is born, sweet-breathed; a son is given to us: a living gift. And even now, with tiny features and dewy hair, He is great. The power of leadership, and the weight of authority, will rest on His shoulders. His name? His name we’ll know in many ways— He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, DearFather everlasting, ever-present never-failing, Master of Wholeness, Prince of Peace.

              For to us a child is born. To us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

              Forsooth a little child is born to us, and a son is given to us, and princehood is made on his shoulder (But a little child is born to us, and a son is given to us, and princehood is placed upon his shoulders); and his name shall be called Wonderful, A counsellor, God, Strong, Father of the world to coming, A prince of peace [and his name shall be called Marvellous, Counsellor, God, Strong, Father of the world to come, Prince of peace].

              For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.

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              • #8
                What is God's highest Name ?

                One has to ask themselves, is the following scripture totally true. Or does it need to be explained away as somehow not totally true.

                Can God express Himself perfectly, or does He make small mistakes ? Well God is perfect of course.

                Philippians 2

                Imitating Christ's Humility

                1 If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion,
                2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose.
                3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.
                4 Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.
                5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
                6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
                7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
                8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross!
                9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
                10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
                11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

                Well we can see that Jesus was God, the one and Only God Almighty. Why, because God says that here. But Jesus did not come to display the glory of His power and so bring judgement on the earth. But Jesus came to display the HIGHEST NATURE of God. That is His humility.

                Even though Jesus was God Almighty, He did not go around demanding that everyone worship Him. Instead He humbled Himself as a man and displayed how humble God was.

                Jesus displayed the very highest nature of God. He humbled Himself and made Himself nothing, even a criminals death on the cross.

                Because Jesus displayed the very highest nature of God, The Name of Jesus is the very highest Name of God.

                God has revealed many of His names to us. Every name reveals a nature of God. Jesus revealed the very highest nature of God.

                The One and Only God Almighty came down to earth and was born of a woman as a man. As a man he showed us how men should live. Men should be humble as God is humble. Men should love their fellow man as God loved men. Men should sacrifice themselves and their desires, just as God did.

                God Almighty became a man and shed His blood for us.

                Because of this sacrifice, the Name of Jesus, is the highest Name of God.

                It is at the Name of Jesus, that
                everyone in heaven, on the earth, and under the earth will bow their knee and say that Jesus Christ is the One and Only LORD. This will bring glory to God because it reveals His highest glory, which is; He loved man so much that he became a Man and shed His blood for us.

                Lou Newton

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
                  One has to ask themselves, is the following scripture totally true. Or does it need to be explained away as somehow not totally true.

                  Can God express Himself perfectly, or does He make small mistakes ? Well God is perfect of course.

                  Philippians 2

                  Imitating Christ's Humility

                  1 If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion,
                  2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose.
                  3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.
                  4 Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.
                  5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
                  6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
                  7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
                  8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross!
                  9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
                  10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
                  11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

                  Well we can see that Jesus was God, the one and Only God Almighty. Why, because God says that here. But Jesus did not come to display the glory of His power and so bring judgement on the earth. But Jesus came to display the HIGHEST NATURE of God. That is His humility.

                  Even though Jesus was God Almighty, He did not go around demanding that everyone worship Him. Instead He humbled Himself as a man and displayed how humble God was.

                  Jesus displayed the very highest nature of God. He humbled Himself and made Himself nothing, even a criminals death on the cross.

                  Because Jesus displayed the very highest nature of God, The Name of Jesus is the very highest Name of God.

                  God has revealed many of His names to us. Every name reveals a nature of God. Jesus revealed the very highest nature of God.

                  The One and Only God Almighty came down to earth and was born of a woman as a man. As a man he showed us how men should live. Men should be humble as God is humble. Men should love their fellow man as God loved men. Men should sacrifice themselves and their desires, just as God did.

                  God Almighty became a man and shed His blood for us.

                  Because of this sacrifice, the Name of Jesus, is the highest Name of God.

                  It is at the Name of Jesus, that
                  everyone in heaven, on the earth, and under the earth will bow their knee and say that Jesus Christ is the One and Only LORD. This will bring glory to God because it reveals His highest glory, which is; He loved man so much that he became a Man and shed His blood for us.

                  Lou Newton
                  8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross!
                  9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
                  10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
                  11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

                  We have to decide if we are going to really believe what God has written above.

                  God says that Jesus is given the highest place - what does highest mean - it means none are above that place - what does NONE mean - not even one. If The Father was a different person than Jesus, He would be another person and according to this passage would be BELOW Jesus. THAT OF COURSE IS RIDICULOUS. No one is above The Father. Jesus is The Father and so there is no problem with this passage being true.

                  God gave Jesus a Name that is ABOVE every name - That means the Name of Jesus is the highest Name of God. For the name of Jesus is ABOVE every Name. But no one is above The Father. The only way for the passage to be true, is for Jesus to be The Father.

                  Every knee in heaven will bow at the Name of Jesus - Will The Father bow to Jesus - that is simply ridiculous - God never bows to anyone.

                  Either this passage is NOT correct - or Jesus is The Father. For Jesus will not bow to Himself.

                  Lou Newton

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                    I encourage everyone to not follow or believe any mere man of group of men about these things.

                    Do not even trust yourself to be able to see the truth.

                    Why not confess to the Lord Jesus that you are unable to see and ask Him to give you sight about these things.

                    Then do two things:

                    1 - wait for His answer

                    2 - read His Holy Scriptures while you wait for Him to speak to you

                    But do not decide yourself. Trust in Him to reveal The Truth to you. There is no one, or no group, that is deserving of your trust for finding out His Truth.

                    Go to the source, The Lord Jesus is The Truth.

                    Grace to you
                    Lou Newton
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                      Ephesians 4New International Version (NIV)

                      Unity and Maturity in the Body of Christ

                      4 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

                      Are there three Lord's - it says here there is ONE Lord.

                      And there is ONE God and Father of all

                      So if Jesus is God, since there is only one God and Father of all, The Godhood of Jesus is The Father or God Almighty.

                      As to His Manhood, Jesus was made a little lower than the angels

                      As to His Godhood, Jesus was the One and Only God Almighty, the Father of us all.

                      Lou Newton

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