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    The Gospel according to John, Chapter 1 NLT

    1 In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He existed in the beginning with God. 3 God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him. 4 The Word gave life to everything that was created, and his life brought light to everyone. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it. 6 God sent a man, John the Baptist, 7 to tell about the light so that everyone might believe because of his testimony. 8 John himself was not the light; he was simply a witness to tell about the light. 9 The one who is the true light, who gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. 10 He came into the very world he created, but the world didn't recognize him. 11 He came to his own people, and even they rejected him. 12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn--not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God. 14 So the Word became human and made his home among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness. And we have seen his glory, the glory of the Father's one and only Son. 15 John testified about him when he shouted to the crowds, "This is the one I was talking about when I said, 'Someone is coming after me who is far greater than I am, for he existed long before me.'" 16 From his abundance we have all received one gracious blessing after another. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but God's unfailing love and faithfulness came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us.
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    In the beginning was The Word

    John 1 (New International Version -1985)


    The Word Became Flesh
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. 6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God-- 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.' " 16 From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

    Note about the NIV - I like the original NIV. It considered more of the original texts of the Hebrew and Greek than other translations. BUT, I do not like the later editions where they change many things.
    Last edited by Lou Newton; August 21, 2014, 11:47 AM.

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    • #3
      In the beginning was The Word

      John 1 (Tyndale 1534 - plowboys edition )

      1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men 5 and the lyght shyneth in the darcknes but the darcknes comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God whose name was Iohn. 7 The same cam as a witnes to beare witnes of the lyght that all men through him myght beleve. 8 He was not that lyght: but to beare witnes of the lyght. 9 That was a true lyght which lyghteth all men that come into the worlde. 10 He was in ye worlde and the worlde was made by him: and yet the worlde knewe him not. 11 He cam amonge his (awne) and his awne receaved him not. 12 But as meny as receaved him to them he gave power to be the sonnes of God in yt they beleved on his name: 13 which were borne not of bloude nor of the will of the flesshe nor yet of the will of man: but of God. 14 And the worde was made flesshe and dwelt amonge vs and we sawe the glory of it as the glory of the only begotten sonne of ye father which worde was full of grace and verite. 15 Iohn bare witnes of him and cryed sayinge: This was he of whome I spake he that cometh after me was before me because he was yer then I. 16 And of his fulnes have all we receaved even (grace) for grace. 17 For the lawe was geven by Moses but grace and truthe came by Iesus Christ. 18 No ma hath sene God at eny tyme. The only begotte sonne which is in ye bosome of ye father he hath declared him.

      Note about William Tyndale - Tyndale was an Englishman who was known as the best expert, in all of Europe, of Biblical Greek and Hebrew. He asked permission from the head of the church of England to translate the Bible so the common man could read it for himself. The head of the church of England refused to allow him. During their conversation, Tyndale could see this man knew little about the Bible; so he ended their conversation with this: I will see to it that every plowboy in England knows more about the Bible than you. The King of England and the head of the church of England both tried to stop Tyndale so he had to flee to the continent to finish his work. The King and the head of the church ( who had both opposed the Pope) then turned Tyndale into the Pope, so that the Pope would have him killed. Tyndale was burnt at the stake for his work. He was strangled to death before he was burnt to stop him from speaking the truth.
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      • #4
        In the beginning was The Word

        John1 ( Geneva Bible 1599 )

        1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.

        2 This same was in the beginning with God.

        3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made.

        4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.

        5 And that light shineth in the wilderness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.

        6 ¶ There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

        7 This same came for a witness, to bear witness of that light, that all men through him might believe.

        8 He was not that light, but was sent to bear witness of that light.

        9 This was that true light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

        10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him: and the world knew him not.

        11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

        12 But as many as received him, to them he gave prerogative to be the sons of God, even to them that believe in his Name,

        13 Which are born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

        14 And that Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw the glory thereof, as the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father) full of grace and truth.

        15 ¶ John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I said, He that cometh after me, was before me: for he was better than I.

        16 And of his fullness have all we received, and grace for grace.

        17 For the Law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

        18 No man hath seen God at any time: that only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

        Note about the Geneva Bible - This is the translation that The Pilgrims brought to America. They did not trust the translation from the same King and Church which had put them in prison and even killed them for preaching the gospel without permission. The Pilgrims preached we were to obey King Jesus over any mere man. The Geneva was translated by a group of Englishmen who had fled to Geneva to do this work, because the King and the Church of England would have killed them for doing it. While these men did not lose their life for this work, they did lose their land, homes and family.
        Last edited by Lou Newton; August 21, 2014, 08:24 AM.

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        • #5
          The Names of The Lord Jesus reveal His Nature to us.

          The Word - A man's word is his bond. We can depend of The Word of God for He can not lie or even deceive. The Word is not mere words, but the Promise of God. That promise is communicated to us through words and actions.

          The Word of God - we express ourselves with our words. We are the only part of the creation in Genesis 1 that can speak with words. Certainly words express our thoughts and ideas much better than hand signals or any other way.

          So The Word of God is simply God revealing ( God expressing) Himself to mankind. Not only with words, but with His actions. Jesus Christ was sent to reveal the very nature of God to man. Therefore , The Word of God; or the expression of God's nature to mankind.

          We could not look upon God in all of His glory and live. It would kill us. So God became a man so that we could look upon Him, listen to his words, and see His actions.

          So The Word of God is not mere words, but He is a person, who is God, and was born of a woman to shed his blood for us so that we would know that He loves us.

          This was not plan B after Adam sinned. But Jesus decided from the very beginning to die for us just so we would know that He loves us.

          Ephesians 1 Living Bible (TLB)

          4 Long ago, even before he made the world, God chose us to be his very own through what Christ would do for us; he decided then to make us holy in his eyes, without a single fault—we who stand before him covered with his love. 5 His unchanging plan has always been to adopt us into his own family by sending Jesus Christ to die for us. And he did this because he wanted to!
          Here is a witness to this truth:

          Romans 11
          32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
          PS: Stop and ponder about the profound truth that is quoted above. This is NOT what you hear preached in most of the church. Pray that The Lord Jesus reveals this whole truth to you, Only His Holy Spirit can do this.

          Grace to you
          Lou Newton
          Bond servant of Jesus

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          • #6
            I'm glad I read this thread again. John 1 hits me in a profound way every time. Eph 1:4 and Rom 11:32 magnify it. These convey in a very tidy way what the word of the Lord reveals throughout scripture: what has transpired is plan A.

            The Lord has done as He has purposed, as He has spoken, and none prevented Him. What is ahead is a continuation of plan A.
            Jer 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

            Regarding the Word:
            Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. - Mat 12:34b

            The word of man reveals a heart abundantly dark and desperately wicked.

            The Word of the Lord reveals that life, truth, and lovingkindness flow out of the abundance of God's heart.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Baruch View Post
              I'm glad I read this thread again. John 1 hits me in a profound way every time. Eph 1:4 and Rom 11:32 magnify it. These convey in a very tidy way what the word of the Lord reveals throughout scripture: what has transpired is plan A.

              The Lord has done as He has purposed, as He has spoken, and none prevented Him. What is ahead is a continuation of plan A.
              Jer 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

              Regarding the Word:
              Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. - Mat 12:34b

              The word of man reveals a heart abundantly dark and desperately wicked.

              The Word of the Lord reveals that life, truth, and lovingkindness flow out of the abundance of God's heart.
              Amen Baruch,

              We now see through a foggy window but one day we will fully know Him as He fully knows us.

              When Jesus returns He will have a new Name upon Him that no one knows except Him. He has a whole new nature that He will reveal to us on that day. Very exciting to even think about.

              Think about it, a whole new nature, or side to Him that no one has ever seen.

              Lou
              Last edited by Lou Newton; October 27, 2014, 07:15 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
                Amen Baruch,

                We now see through a foggy window but one day we will fully know Him as He fully knows us.

                When Jesus returns He will have a new Name upon Him that no one knows except Him. He has a whole new nature that He will reveal to us on that day. Very exciting to even think about.

                Think about it, a whole new nature, or side to Him that no one has ever seen.

                Lou
                A whole new nature that nobody has ever seen? Maybe that's what scripture means when it says that God's ways are beyond tracing out. As for me, I'm still trying to wrap my mind around that unique verse in John 21. You know. The one that says if all the works Jesus has ever done were written down, the whole world couldn't contain all the books!

                Blane

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Blane View Post
                  A whole new nature that nobody has ever seen? Maybe that's what scripture means when it says that God's ways are beyond tracing out. As for me, I'm still trying to wrap my mind around that unique verse in John 21. You know. The one that says if all the works Jesus has ever done were written down, the whole world couldn't contain all the books!

                  Blane
                  Thanks Blane,

                  I should have included the scripture that tells us about that new Nature of Jesus that no one knows except Him:

                  Rev 19
                  The Rider on the White Horse
                  11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God
                  Of course a Name is a Nature. Because Jesus always gives TRUE NAMES to anyone.

                  When Jesus returns, He will also give us a name that no one knows except for us.

                  Revelation 2:17
                  Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it.
                  Jesus will tell everyone of us, who we really are in truth. We will all treasure this white stone Jesus gives us.

                  As to the whole world could not contain all of the books;

                  If The Lord Jesus created the heavens and the earth billions of years ago, and he created everything that exists, just think of how many acts Jesus has done. Look at what goes on just inside of one single star in one second. The sun is about a million miles in diameter. The sun is a small star. Now think of how many acts Jesus has done in the trillions of stars over the billions of years. Truly the whole world could not contain the books.

                  Lou Newton

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                  • #10
                    This was a real blessing to read. Thanks, everyone.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Knight View Post
                      This was a real blessing to read. Thanks, everyone.
                      Thanks for the reply Karl.......................Lou

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                      • #12
                        Great post Dad. This is something that just about all churches seem to get wrong. They call The Word of God a thing, when John makes it clear who (not what) the Word of God is. I have no problem with people calling the bible "words of God" but when you capitalize word and make it singular, that means something different.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Isaac View Post
                          Great post Dad. This is something that just about all churches seem to get wrong. They call The Word of God a thing, when John makes it clear who (not what) the Word of God is. I have no problem with people calling the bible "words of God" but when you capitalize word and make it singular, that means something different.
                          Great comment Isaac. When I listened to the Bible on tape the first time I had several truths revealed to me:

                          One - whole denominations are built on verses that appear only one place and God speaks very little about what they have separated themselves from others over.

                          Two - There are subjects of such importance that God speaks of them on almost every page of the Bible and the church hardly ever teaches about these things.

                          One of these subjects that the church teaches little about is idolatry. God speaks about this great sin on almost every page of the Bible.

                          One of the ways God speaks of men committing this sin of idolatry is to worship the creation instead of worshiping the Creator.

                          The church is guilty of this with The Holy Scriptures. The Holy Scriptures are THE BOOK. It is the greatest book ever written and none compares to it. But it is paper and ink and it is part of His creation, NOT The Creator.

                          The Bible itself tells us that the Word of God is The Creator, and He is a person not a thing.

                          BTW I highly recommend listening to The Bible on CD or other more modern means. It forces you to go through the whole Bible quickly. This also forces you to see what the whole HOUSE, that God builds, looks like instead of focusing on what a wood cell looks like in one board of the house.

                          We often major on minor things and make major things a minor issue.

                          Looking to The Holy Scriptures instead of looking to the person of The Word of God ( Jesus ) is not a minor issue. It is simply idolatry and that is not a minor issue.

                          That is what led the Pharisees astray. They looked to the Book instead of following The Author of The Book. Jesus speaks about it here:

                          John 5
                          39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

                          Think of it, the Pharisees studied the Holy Scriptures DILIGENTLY. Jesus said they did. BUT they did not have life and even worse when the Author of the Book stood before them they called Him Satan.

                          The same it true today. We have some who study the Holy Scriptures diligently but when Jesus sends someone to them and He speaks through that person, they say those very words are from Satan. This is because they are looking to The Book and NOT The Author of The Book.

                          Idolatry does not lead anyone to Truth or to Jesus. Idolatry is a deception from Satan.

                          The Book is wonderful. It points us to Jesus. If we read it often Jesus will speak to us when we read it. But the Book can not speak and has no life of it's own. Jesus is LIFE. There is no life outside of Jesus.

                          BTW, Jesus will speak to those who read The Book, IF they humble themselves before Him and confess that they are blind and can not see. Jesus gives sight to those who do this. Jesus gave sight to every person who came to Him and confessed they could not see and asked Him for sight.

                          BUT if anyone reads the Book thinking they will figure out the secrets in the Book by simply reading it, they will remain blind. Those who confess they can see will remain blind like the pharisees.

                          John 9
                          Spiritual Blindness

                          35 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said,“Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
                          36 “Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.”
                          37 Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
                          38 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.
                          39 Jesus said,“For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”
                          40 Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?”
                          41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.
                          Last edited by Lou Newton; January 3, 2017, 11:30 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Isaac View Post
                            Great post Dad. This is something that just about all churches seem to get wrong. They call The Word of God a thing, when John makes it clear who (not what) the Word of God is. I have no problem with people calling the bible "words of God" but when you capitalize word and make it singular, that means something different.
                            I would agree Isaac, this drives me crazy when I hear this in church, or any other media. It makes you think you know someone, then they say something that has yourself wondering if you know them at all. To me, this is a foundational truth; if you can't see this one, you're probably missing many others. I directly see many who call themselves pastors and teachers right here. They may not be "monsters" as Lou put it, but definitely don't follow them because they are making a basic, foundational mistake on who Jesus is.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by redsoxmaloney View Post

                              I would agree Isaac, this drives me crazy when I hear this in church, or any other media. It makes you think you know someone, then they say something that has yourself wondering if you know them at all. To me, this is a foundational truth; if you can't see this one, you're probably missing many others. I directly see many who call themselves pastors and teachers right here. They may not be "monsters" as Lou put it, but definitely don't follow them because they are making a basic, foundational mistake on who Jesus is.
                              Idolatry is the sin that has plagued mankind from the garden until today. We all are guilty of it. We can not see our idolatry by denying that we are guilty of it, but we can only see our sin by asking The Lord to show us our sin.

                              The Pharisees refused to consider that they were guilty of idolatry. Instead they stood before The Lord who wrote the very scriptures they worshiped and called Him Satan. The Manhood of Jesus stood before them while His Godhood ( His Holy Spirit ) raised the dead and they said it was Satan who did these miracles. That is blasphemy of The Holy Spirit and there is no forgiveness for it, because they will not even consider that they are in error. Without confessing that we are blind and can not see and then asking The Lord for sight, there is no way we can see. But many will not consider that they are in error and so their idolatry remains.

                              They trust in their doctrines, instead of trusting in the Lord of all Truth. That is idolatry and they will remain in that sin as long as they continue to believe that there is no possibility that their doctrine is wrong.

                              These doctrines of idolatry are many and are very widespread in the churches.

                              Trusting in a doctrine, is NOT trusting in The Lord. Having faith is your faith, is NOT faith in The Lord.

                              Our only Hope is to turn to The Only One who can give us sight and ask Him to show us our sin.

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