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    Mark 3:22-35New English Translation (NET Bible)

    22 The experts in the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and, “By the ruler of demons he casts out demons.” 23 So he called them and spoke to them in parables: “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom will not be able to stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. 26 And if Satan rises against himself and is divided, he is not able to stand and his end has come. 27 But no one is able to enter a strong man’s house and steal his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can thoroughly plunder his house. 28 I tell you the truth, people will be forgiven for all sins, even all the blasphemies they utter. 29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin” 30 (because they said, “He has an unclean spirit”).

    "But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin."

    Question - is this possible? Never to be forgiven? An eternal sin?
    Last edited by Fisherman; June 3, 2016, 06:35 PM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
    Mark 3:22-35New English Translation (NET Bible)

    22 The experts in the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and, “By the ruler of demons he casts out demons.” 23 So he called them and spoke to them in parables: “How can Satan cast out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom will not be able to stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. 26 And if Satan rises against himself and is divided, he is not able to stand and his end has come. 27 But no one is able to enter a strong man’s house and steal his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can thoroughly plunder his house. 28 I tell you the truth, people will be forgiven for all sins, even all the blasphemies they utter. 29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin” 30 (because they said, “He has an unclean spirit”).

    "But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin."

    Question - is this possible? Something never forgiven? An eternal sin?
    Here is that verse in all English translations:

    MARK 3:29

    KJ21
    but he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation”;
    ASV
    but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin:
    AMP
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit and His power [by attributing the miracles done by Me to Satan] never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an everlasting sin [a sin which is unforgivable in this present age as well as in the age to come]”—
    AMPC
    But whoever speaks abusively against or maliciously misrepresents the Holy Spirit can never get forgiveness, but is guilty of and is in the grasp of an everlasting trespass.
    BRG
    But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
    CEB
    But whoever insults the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. That person is guilty of a sin with consequences that last forever.”
    CJB
    however, someone who blasphemes against the Ruach HaKodesh never has forgiveness but is guilty of an eternal sin.”
    CEV
    But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.
    DARBY
    but whosoever shall speak injuriously against the Holy Spirit, to eternity has no forgiveness; but lies under the guilt of an everlasting sin;
    DLNT
    But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit does not have forgiveness forever, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
    DRA
    But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, shall never have forgiveness, but shall be guilty of an everlasting sin.
    ERV
    But anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. They will always be guilty of that sin.”
    ESV
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
    ESVUK
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
    EXB
    But anyone who ·speaks against [blasphemes] the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of ·a sin that continues forever [a sin with eternal consequences; L an eternal sin].”
    GNV
    But he that blasphemeth against the holy Ghost, shall never have forgiveness, but is culpable of eternal damnation.
    GW
    But whoever curses the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. He is guilty of an everlasting sin.”
    GNT
    But whoever says evil things against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, because he has committed an eternal sin.”
    HCSB
    But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
    ICB
    But any person who says bad things against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. He is guilty of a sin that continues forever.”
    ISV
    But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven, but is guilty of eternal sin.”
    PHILLIPS
    “Believe me, all men’s sins can be forgiven and their blasphemies. But there can never be any forgiveness for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That is an eternal sin.”
    JUB
    but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit shall never have forgiveness but is obligated to eternal judgment,
    KJV
    But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
    AKJV
    but he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
    LEB
    But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit does not have forgiveness forever, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
    TLB
    but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit can never be forgiven. It is an eternal sin.”
    MSG
    “Listen to this carefully. I’m warning you. There’s nothing done or said that can’t be forgiven. But if you persist in your slanders against God’s Holy Spirit, you are repudiating the very One who forgives, sawing off the branch on which you’re sitting, severing by your own perversity all connection with the One who forgives.” He gave this warning because they were accusing him of being in league with Evil.
    MEV
    But he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal condemnation.”
    MOUNCE
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit · will not have forgiveness for all time, but is guilty of an eternal sin”
    NOG
    But whoever curses the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. He is guilty of an everlasting sin.”
    NABRE
    But whoever blasphemes against the holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an everlasting sin.”
    NASB
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
    NCV
    But anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of a sin that continues forever.”
    NET
    But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin”
    NIRV
    But whoever speaks evil things against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. Their guilt will last forever.”
    NIV
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”
    NIVUK
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.’
    NKJV
    but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”—
    NLV
    But if anyone speaks bad things against the Holy Spirit, he will never be forgiven. He is guilty of a sin that lasts forever.”
    NLT
    but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This is a sin with eternal consequences.”
    NRSV
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
    NRSVA
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin’—
    NRSVACE
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin’—
    NRSVCE
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
    OJB
    But whoever commits Chillul Hashem gidduf against the Ruach Hakodesh, can never have selicha, but is guilty of a Chet Olam.
    RSV
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
    RSVCE
    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
    TLV
    but whoever slanders the Ruach ha-Kodesh never has release, but is guilty of an eternal sin!”
    VOICE
    But speaking evil of the Spirit of God is an unforgivable sin that will follow you into eternity.
    WEB
    but whoever may blaspheme against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation.”
    WE
    But people who say wrong things against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. A person who does that will be punished for ever.'
    WYC
    But he that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost [Soothly he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost], hath not remission into without end, but he shall be guilty of everlasting trespass.
    YLT
    but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness -- to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;'

    We see that almost all agree pretty close. But just the one is quite different and that is the one in BOLD RED.
    Last edited by Lou Newton; June 3, 2016, 06:40 PM.

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    • #3
      We also have this scripture to consider. We know both the one in Mark and this one in 1 John are true:

      1 John 1
      9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

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      • #4
        Great posts Lou. Thanks.

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        • #5
          Thanks Fisherman.

          Here is a chapter of the Holy Scriptures that I think hold the key to this whole issue:
          John 9English Standard Version (ESV)

          Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind


          9 As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4 We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” 6 Having said these things, he spit on the ground and made mud with the saliva. Then he anointed the man's eyes with the mud7 and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which means Sent). So he went and washed and came back seeing.

          8 The neighbors and those who had seen him before as a beggar were saying, “Is this not the man who used to sit and beg?” 9 Some said, “It is he.” Others said, “No, but he is like him.” He kept saying, “I am the man.” 10 So they said to him, “Then how were your eyes opened?” 11 He answered, “The man called Jesus made mud and anointed my eyes and said to me, ‘Go to Siloam and wash.’ So I went and washed and received my sight.” 12 They said to him, “Where is he?” He said, “I do not know.”

          13 They brought to the Pharisees the man who had formerly been blind.14 Now it was a Sabbath day when Jesus made the mud and opened his eyes. 15 So the Pharisees again asked him how he had received his sight. And he said to them, “He put mud on my eyes, and I washed, and I see.” 16 Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” And there was a division among them. 17 So they said again to the blind man, “What do you say about him, since he has opened your eyes?” He said, “He is a prophet.”

          18 The Jews did not believe that he had been blind and had received his sight, until they called the parents of the man who had received his sight19 and asked them, “Is this your son, who you say was born blind? How then does he now see?” 20 His parents answered, “We know that this is our son and that he was born blind. 21 But how he now sees we do not know, nor do we know who opened his eyes. Ask him; he is of age. He will speak for himself.” 22 (His parents said these things because they feared the Jews, for the Jews had already agreed that if anyone should confess Jesus to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue.)23 Therefore his parents said, “He is of age; ask him.”

          24 So for the second time they called the man who had been blind and said to him, “Give glory to God. We know that this man is a sinner.” 25 He answered, “Whether he is a sinner I do not know. One thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see.” 26 They said to him, “What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?” 27 He answered them, “I have told you already, and you would not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you also want to become his disciples?” 28 And they reviled him, saying, “You are his disciple, but we are disciples of Moses. 29 We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where he comes from.” 30 The man answered, “Why, this is an amazing thing! You do not know where he comes from, and yet he opened my eyes. 31 We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him.32 Never since the world began has it been heard that anyone opened the eyes of a man born blind. 33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.” 34 They answered him, “You were born in utter sin, and would you teach us?” And they cast him out.

          35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said,“Do you believe in the Son of Man?” 36 He answered, “And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?” 37 Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. 39 Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.”40 Some of the Pharisees near him heard these things, and said to him,“Are we also blind?” 41Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains.

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          • #6
            Hi, Tom. I seem to recall we discussed this in another thread. I believe much was said. It might be helpful to look for that one. It would have been late 2014 to early 2015.

            I'd like to share some thoughts I gathered from that discussion and probably others.

            There are some things we can ask about this warning from our Lord that may help us frame it effectively. Like what is meant by blasphemy against the Holy Spirit; what was the offense that prompted Jesus' warning; what is eternal damnation?

            The word for damnation is also judgement, accusation, condemnation. I think that's pretty clear. "Eternal damnation" means what it says, but it's useful to define it to help frame my thoughts.

            Because the wages of sin is death, and

            1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
            1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

            then the offense of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit would be of the same nature. For example,

            Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
            Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

            As Lou points out, if we confess our sins then God is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Therefore it suggests to me that by blaspheming against the Holy Spirit one is in danger of conforming to a state where one cannot or will not be able to confess one's sins, nor turn to God: which is to say, unto death. Anyone who trusts God, that He is merciful and full of grace, should understandably be vigilant in confession in order to keep receiving forgiveness.

            I want to expand your quote by one verse, because it helps the next connection I make:

            Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
            Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

            There we see the offense that Jesus warned against: the Holy Spirit is certainly clean, not unclean. If Jesus rebuked it, then it seems very serious. Just how serious? Well, if it were even possible to cast Him out, then where would one be? One would have spurned (hated) the comforter, the intercessor, God's earnest on His promise to us. He is the Spirit of Christ, our brother, and one who hates his brother is guilty of murder.

            I think we can know what kind of things can lead to this offense.

            I know from reading God's word that He hates confusion. To me confusion seems to include lies, untruth, subverting the upright, mixing good with evil, fornication, drunkenness, the whole list of sin, in essence choices and behaviors that tend to lead us away from God and towards destruction.

            Here's an excellent representation of that:

            Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
            Isa 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
            Isa 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
            Isa 5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
            Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

            And we can get a description of the progression in Romans 1, which ends in a reprobate mind engaging in the whole list of sin to one's own destruction, and possibly corrupting a people.

            If one rejects the Spirit of Christ who redeemed and quickens us, then one would be among the walking dead in prison. If one is never able receive the goodness of God unto repentance, then it is eternal.
            Last edited by Baruch; June 4, 2016, 01:19 AM.

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            • #7
              Very good Barry. Thanks.

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              • #8
                A good rule of thumb about this is:

                If someone thinks they may have committed blasphemy of The Holy Spirit, then they have not done so.

                The root cause of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is when someone is so SURE that they are right, that they think there is no possibility that they are wrong. That is a really dangerous attitude to have and can lead to this sin.

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                • #9
                  So then if I think I'm a goat I am probably a sheep?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Steve Hollander View Post
                    So then if I think I'm a goat I am probably a sheep?
                    Hi Steve.

                    I would say that a little different:

                    If someone is worried that they have committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, they have not done so.

                    That is different than being concerned that one is saved. The Holy Spirit could be convicting someone that they are not saved and need to confess their sin, and they may not be saved just as The Holy Spirit is convicting them.

                    But you are correct that most goats think they are sheep, and many sheep worry that they may be goats sometimes.

                    But those that are guilty of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, would feel sure they have not done so. They feel so sure they are right.

                    They could be forgiven of their sin, IF they would confess their sin. BUT a man can only confess their sin by the grace of The Holy Spirit convicting them of their sin. BUT they have cursed God's Holy Spirit and called Him Satan, so He leaves them alone as they desire and have even demanded that He leave them alone.

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                    • #11
                      Thanks Lou what a pity it is how great the losses are.

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                      • #12
                        The Only begotten Son of God was born of the woman, Mary, about 2000 years ago. So The Manhood of Jesus is a man of flesh and blood and a little lower than the angels as a man.

                        BUT Jesus also told the Pharisees that BEFORE ABRAHAM, WAS BORN, I AM. They knew that Jesus was saying that He was the One and Only God Almighty, The Creator of all, The Father of all.

                        The Pharisees had no doubt as to what Jesus was saying. That is why they wanted to kill Him. For in their eyes a man was calling Himself God.

                        NOW A MAN CAN NOT BECOME GOD. - AND this is why they wanted to kill Him.

                        BUT GOD CAN BECOME A MAN. - They missed this simple fact and it led to their destruction. They only had to humble themselves and bother to ask God instead of being so sure of themselves.

                        They should have seen this fact. Because no mere man can raise the dead, make the blind to see and the lame to walk.

                        The Pharisees claimed they were staying faithful to God.

                        But they were deceiving themselves. They were really keeping faith in their own beliefs. Instead of putting their faith in God and asking Him to reveal the truth to them, they were putting their faith in their beliefs. ( which was really putting their faith in themselves)

                        In fact Jesus ( who is God) did miracles right before their very eyes and His Holy Spirit convicted them of their errors.

                        BUT instead of humbling themselves and considering that they may be wrong, they instead cursed Jesus and His Holy Spirit and called Him Satan and told Him to be gone from them.

                        The Lord then gave them what they asked for. He left them to their own beliefs. They had decided very firmly that they would never repent of these beliefs and would resist anyone who tried to reveal their error to them. They further cursed The Lord and His Holy Spirit and demanded that he leave them alone.

                        The Lord gave them what they asked for. He left them alone. They had blasphemed The Holy Spirit.

                        That takes place when a mere man who can not see The Truth ( but we only see in a foggy mirror) claims that he knows the truth and will never repent of what he claims is the truth.

                        THEY DECIDED TO FORSAKE HUMILITY

                        But that is forsaking the highest nature of God. That is forsaking God Himself. That is forsaking who God is and hating who He is.

                        That is exactly what Satan did to be thrown out of heaven. Satan really seen who God is and hated who He is. Nothing can be done to save Satan. God is not going to force Satan to spend eternity with the very one Satan hates.

                        Satan did not want to be with God, so God threw Satan out of heaven.

                        This is the very basis for the lake of fire. Those that hate who God is will not be forced to spend eternity with Him.

                        They hate God and so God will put them someplace where He is not. That will be the Lake of Fire.

                        God is love and there will be no love there, only hate.

                        God is truth, and there will be no truth there only deception.

                        God is joy, so their will be no joy there, only regret.

                        God is peace, so there will be no peace there, only anxiety.

                        Now when the Pharisees forsook HUMILITY, they were really hating who God is.

                        Philippians 2 Imitating Christ’s Humility

                        1 Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion,
                        2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind.
                        3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves,
                        4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.
                        5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
                        6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
                        7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
                        8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross!

                        9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
                        10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
                        11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

                        The Godhood of Jesus was God and he revealed that He is very humble. For who has ever been more humble than Christ. That is the very highest nature of God. Jesus revealed that nature to us and that is why The Name of Jesus is the highest Name of God, because Humility is the highest nature of God.

                        Every person who loves this humility, and wants to be like Him, shown by Christ when He died on the cross will be saved. Those that hate this humility, shown by Christ, will be given what they ask for. They will be separated from this Humble God. They will spend eternity with the one who is arrogant. For he is the one they want to be like.

                        When every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus is The One and Only Lord, that will glorify who God really is.

                        God was born of a woman to reveal to man who He is and to save us from our sins, IF we want to be like Him.

                        The Pharisees wanted God to have victory by His power. BUT instead God defeated sin and death by His humility.

                        The Pharisees hated the humility of Jesus just as Satan did.

                        Those who CLAIM to hate God, but speak in ignorance because they do not know who He is can be saved. They can be saved by God revealing who He is and His humility bringing them to repentance.

                        But God became a man to reveal who God is to mankind and the pharisees hated who God is. The more they seen who God is, the more they hated Him.

                        NOTHING CAN BE DONE DONE TO SAVE THOSE WHO HATE WHO GOD IS.

                        They would be miserable in heaven and make everyone there miserable.

                        So God also prepared a place for them and Satan. They will be separated from the One they hate forever. God gives then what they desire.

                        It is called the lake of fire. - they will be most miserable when they get what they demanded.

                        Lou Newton

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
                          The Only begotten Son of God was born of the woman, Mary, about 2000 years ago. So The Manhood of Jesus is a man of flesh and blood and a little lower than the angels as a man.

                          BUT Jesus also told the Pharisees that BEFORE ABRAHAM, WAS BORN, I AM. They knew that Jesus was saying that He was the One and Only God Almighty, The Creator of all, The Father of all.

                          The Pharisees had no doubt as to what Jesus was saying. That is why they wanted to kill Him. For in their eyes a man was calling Himself God.

                          NOW A MAN CAN NOT BECOME GOD. - AND this is why they wanted to kill Him.

                          BUT GOD CAN BECOME A MAN. - They missed this simple fact and it led to their destruction. They only had to humble themselves and bother to ask God instead of being so sure of themselves.

                          They should have seen this fact. Because no mere man can raise the dead, make the blind to see and the lame to walk.

                          The Pharisees claimed they were staying faithful to God.

                          But they were deceiving themselves. They were really keeping faith in their own beliefs. Instead of putting their faith in God and asking Him to reveal the truth to them, they were putting their faith in their beliefs. ( which was really putting their faith in themselves)

                          In fact Jesus ( who is God) did miracles right before their very eyes and His Holy Spirit convicted them of their errors.

                          BUT instead of humbling themselves and considering that they may be wrong, they instead cursed Jesus and His Holy Spirit and called Him Satan and told Him to be gone from them.

                          The Lord then gave them what they asked for. He left them to their own beliefs. They had decided very firmly that they would never repent of these beliefs and would resist anyone who tried to reveal their error to them. They further cursed The Lord and His Holy Spirit and demanded that he leave them alone.

                          The Lord gave them what they asked for. He left them alone. They had blasphemed The Holy Spirit.

                          That takes place when a mere man who can not see The Truth ( but we only see in a foggy mirror) claims that he knows the truth and will never repent of what he claims is the truth.

                          THEY DECIDED TO FORSAKE HUMILITY

                          But that is forsaking the highest nature of God. That is forsaking God Himself. That is forsaking who God is and hating who He is.

                          That is exactly what Satan did to be thrown out of heaven. Satan really seen who God is and hated who He is. Nothing can be done to save Satan. God is not going to force Satan to spend eternity with the very one Satan hates.

                          Satan did not want to be with God, so God threw Satan out of heaven.

                          This is the very basis for the lake of fire. Those that hate who God is will not be forced to spend eternity with Him.

                          They hate God and so God will put them someplace where He is not. That will be the Lake of Fire.

                          God is love and there will be no love there, only hate.

                          God is truth, and there will be no truth there only deception.

                          God is joy, so their will be no joy there, only regret.

                          God is peace, so there will be no peace there, only anxiety.

                          Now when the Pharisees forsook HUMILITY, they were really hating who God is.

                          Philippians 2 Imitating Christ’s Humility

                          1 Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion,
                          2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind.
                          3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves,
                          4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.
                          5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
                          6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
                          7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
                          8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross!

                          9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
                          10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
                          11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

                          The Godhood of Jesus was God and he revealed that He is very humble. For who has ever been more humble than Christ. That is the very highest nature of God. Jesus revealed that nature to us and that is why The Name of Jesus is the highest Name of God, because Humility is the highest nature of God.

                          Every person who loves this humility, and wants to be like Him, shown by Christ when He died on the cross will be saved. Those that hate this humility, shown by Christ, will be given what they ask for. They will be separated from this Humble God. They will spend eternity with the one who is arrogant. For he is the one they want to be like.

                          When every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus is The One and Only Lord, that will glorify who God really is.

                          God was born of a woman to reveal to man who He is and to save us from our sins, IF we want to be like Him.

                          The Pharisees wanted God to have victory by His power. BUT instead God defeated sin and death by His humility.

                          The Pharisees hated the humility of Jesus just as Satan did.

                          Those who CLAIM to hate God, but speak in ignorance because they do not know who He is can be saved. They can be saved by God revealing who He is and His humility bringing them to repentance.

                          But God became a man to reveal who God is to mankind and the pharisees hated who God is. The more they seen who God is, the more they hated Him.

                          NOTHING CAN BE DONE DONE TO SAVE THOSE WHO HATE WHO GOD IS.

                          They would be miserable in heaven and make everyone there miserable.

                          So God also prepared a place for them and Satan. They will be separated from the One they hate forever. God gives then what they desire.

                          It is called the lake of fire. - they will be most miserable when they get what they demanded.

                          Lou Newton
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                          Do you agree, or disagree ? Are there some points made that you did not see before ?

                          If so what points made an impact on you ?

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                          • #14
                            I am still thinking about your posts, Lou. Are you saying that forsaking humility is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost? If not then I have misread it.

                            I don't understand forsaking humility to be blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. Most if not all men and woman are proud, not humble. The Lord Jesus died for us while we were yet sinners. This includes the proud. We all battle pride, and we all, perhaps, give in completely to pride sometimes; but we can be restored to humility.

                            Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

                            I agree that humility is essential. God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humble. We cannot expect to come to the Lord proudly and receive His grace. And forsaking humility seems a sin unto death. I would not downplay the weight of this aspect.

                            Yet it seems clear to me that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is identified as saying He is unclean. He is holy; not unclean, profane, or common. It seems a declaration that places the offender in direct opposition to the Lord (Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.)

                            Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Baruch View Post
                              I am still thinking about your posts, Lou. Are you saying that forsaking humility is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost? If not then I have misread it.

                              I don't understand forsaking humility to be blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. Most if not all men and woman are proud, not humble. The Lord Jesus died for us while we were yet sinners. This includes the proud. We all battle pride, and we all, perhaps, give in completely to pride sometimes; but we can be restored to humility.

                              Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

                              I agree that humility is essential. God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humble. We cannot expect to come to the Lord proudly and receive His grace. And forsaking humility seems a sin unto death. I would not downplay the weight of this aspect.

                              Yet it seems clear to me that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is identified as saying He is unclean. He is holy; not unclean, profane, or common. It seems a declaration that places the offender in direct opposition to the Lord (Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.)

                              Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
                              Thank you so much for your reply Barry, what would I do without you !

                              You write:
                              I agree that humility is essential. God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humble. We cannot expect to come to the Lord proudly and receive His grace. And forsaking humility seems a sin unto death. I would not downplay the weight of this aspect.
                              I agree and neither would I downplay the aspect of it.

                              My post has to be taken in it's entirety. Truth may be illustrated by a diamond. Even in the natural state it has many facets. The light goes in the facets ( like windows) and then the diamond refracts the white light and it comes out another window (facet) separated into different colors. The facet is not the diamond but it is very useful in understanding light.

                              In fact ,the facet is only a plane of two dimensions. So it really does not exist, for nothing exists in two dimensions in our three dimension world. ( of course our world may contain more than three dimensions, like time) BUT the facet is very useful in letting light into and then back out of the diamond in an easier way to understand. For the diamond separates the white light into different color, or parts.

                              Forsaking humility is not all of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, but it is a facet of it that is a necessary part.

                              It it easier to understand the whole subject by examining these different facets of it.

                              While the Pharisees did claim Jesus was unclean, that too is only a facet of it.

                              Another facet is the fact the Pharisees really hated who Jesus was ( His very nature). They loved power and sought power for themselves and worshiped their god who they proclaimed as the most powerful. When Jesus appeared as a humble man, they despised Him for that. - this also is a facet of the whole subject that can not be overstated.

                              We know that ANY sin can be forgiven IF A MAN CONFESSES IT AS SIN.

                              So we also know that another facet of this subject is that these Pharisees either could not, or would never confess it as sin.

                              If one refuses to consider the only hope of salvation then what can be done for them, NOTHING.

                              If one sees, and then hates the very Person, and His whole nature, that is The Only Savior, what can be done for that person.

                              The Pharisees seen the very nature of Jesus and hated Him. They did not merely claim to hate one they did not know. They seen His nature and hated His nature. They would be miserable in heaven watching everyone worship the one they hate.

                              If one does not know who Jesus is and claims to hate Him, that person can be saved by coming to know His true nature.

                              But Satan was close to the very throne of God and hated who God is. Nothing can be done to save Satan.

                              Notice Jesus said any sin against the Father can be forgiven. That is because no man has ever seen God on the throne and so does not know Him. You can not truly hate anyone you do not really know, just as you can not love someone you do not know.

                              Also Jesus said any sin against The Son can be forgiven. That is because The Son of God is a man and so men could hate His Manhood without knowing that He was God. Also Jesus the man of flesh can not crawl into the body of any man to convict that man of sin. He could only speak to the man's natural ears.

                              But The Holy Spirit of Jesus can speak to a man's spirit and convict them of sin. This is why Jesus, the man, left the earth and came back in His Holy Spirit. Jesus the man, could not be with every person who sought Him. He was limited somewhat by His flesh. But His Holy Spirit can be everywhere and with everyone.

                              But if The Lord speaks to a man's spirit to convict them of sin, or speak life to them; and they then curse that very voice, and totally reject Him, then nothing can be done for them.

                              More simply put, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is when a person can not, or will never confess, their sin. They decide to be so sure they are right, that they will never confess their sin. But confessing their sin is the only hope of salvation.

                              The other aspect of this is that if someone rejects the only one that can convict them of sin, then there is no hope for them.

                              Maybe we can look for examples of men who have said terrible things about God, but were later saved, and other men that were not saved that seemed to do something close to the same.
                              Last edited by Lou Newton; June 8, 2016, 04:15 PM.

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