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    If God created the universe, then who created God? And who created the creator of God?


    Lou Newton

    Updated January 5
    Former Steel Mill Crane Designer and Physics Teacher

    Most humans just can not accept that there is a being far beyond them. They are so arrogant to think that if they can not reason how this being exists, then that being can not exist.

    But this is not only arrogant, but also they lack reasoning power. It is easy for me to reason that if there is a beginning of the universe, then there is a Beginner. I also can reason that if the creation is far beyond my ability to even understand it fully and know it fully; then the Creator of that universe is far far beyond my ability to know or understand Him.

    So because of these reasons I humbled myself and asked my Creator to reveal Himself to me. For if it was far beyond me to find Him, then I reasoned He would have to reveal Himself to me. He did reveal Himself to me and I know Him just as I know my earthy father. I sought Him by faith, but now I KNOW Him by experience. He led me to His Book, The Bible.

    I read the Koran and it was obviously not from any God. It was dead and had no life or anything beyond human thinking in it. I read the Book of Mormon and it was obviously the worse book I had ever read. It was full of contradictions and things of obvious human origins.

    The Bible was unique. There is no Book like it. One has to really read it with care and with prayer while asking God to help them understand it. It is far beyond human origins and can only be from God if one really seeks the truth.

    God has no beginning and no end. Mere humans can not understand this because everything we know has a beginning and an end. Simple minded people can not accept this and refuse to seek the truth.

    A man who lived in Russia was an atheist and set out to prove that the Bible was not from God. He had made a brilliant discovery that the world was full of math patterns. He could find nothing that did not have math patterns in it, not one thing. So he made the brilliant deduction that if there was a God who created the world and it was full of math patterns, then if that same God wrote The Bible it would be full of math patterns. This was a simply and very brilliant deduction.

    The Bible is written in Hebrew and Greek and these are the only two major languages where the characters are used both for letters and numbers. So he took all the letters and used them as numbers.

    He added up all the numbers in the 1st chapter of Matthew. He found that they added up to a number that was exactly divisible by 7. Well there is one chance in 7 that could take place by random. So he added up all the nouns and found they added up to a number exactly divisible by 7. Well there is one chance in 49 that both of these could take place by chance. So he added up all the parts of speech and they all were exactly divisible by 7. He found 28 different things to add up and they all were exactly divisible by 7. Well there is one chance in 7 to the 28th power that this could take place by chance. That is one chance in 45,998,653,650,000,000,000,000,000,000. That is really big number and this got his attention. He did the same with every chapter of The Bible and found they all had these math patterns and anything that he could ad up was exactly divisible by 7. He submitted a 43,000 page document that had all these math patterns in it.

    He concluded that since the Creation and The Bible were both full of math patterns that they both had the same source. He also concluded that is was mathematically impossible that God did not write the Bible.

    If the universe was all made up of white atoms and there was but one red one in all the billions of stars in every one of the billions of galaxies; there is a better chance of you closing your eyes and picking up that one red atom then the Bible having all those things adding up to a number exactly divisible by 7.

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    Benjie ............
    July 12, 2019
    quite interesting indeed!

    is it ok if i'll request you to supply us a complete name of that russian mathematician?

    my answer to the question: “if there's a creator to the Heavenly God?”

    my answer: YES, there is

    yes, there is a creator to the Heavenly God

    and that creator is “He” Himself

    remember: He's omnipotent. He's all powerful

    short of saying, He has all the means & power to create & recreate Himself

    anyone who is immensely powerful has overflowing, extremely potent, uncontainable power and that He can do whatever He wants with that power

    the Heavenly God doesn't need a creator to create Him. He Himself can create & recreate Himself as He pleases (at His whims, at His beck & call)

    He can conjure magic up in the air anytime, anywhere (no one can stop or prevent Him)

    imagine this: if you yourself is a very, very powerful person, overflowing with immense power that is beyond measure, would you ask someone to create you?

    definitely, the next higher person who will create you must be “ultra” powerful / “extremely” powerful than you do, right?

    and who do you think is that person who is “ultra” powerful / “extremely” powerful than you do, isn't it YOU yourself?

    if you're the most powerful of all in this vast universe, logic dictates that there's NO one else beyond your power

    you alone is the only one sitting on that powerful throne

    yes, you alone …

    and you need to be outside of the universe, otherwise the universe will probably be “destroyed” by your immense power

    that's why the Great, Immensely Powerful Almighty Heavenly God is not created by anyone other than Himself

    He existed without beginning, and He exists without end. that's why He is called The Alpha & The Omega (No beginning, No end) for this simple reason

    His power reigns supreme from everlasting to everlasting (unfathomable, beyond measure)

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    Lou Newton
    Original Author 2:36 pm
    God did NOT create Himself. He has no beginning and no end.

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    Lou Newton
    Original Author July 12, 2019
    Ivan Panin

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    Lou Newton
    Original Author July 12, 2019
    Ivan Panin

    Description

    Ivan Nikolayevich Panin was a Russian emigrant to the United States who achieved fame for discovering numeric patterns in the text of the Hebrew and Greek Bible and for his published work based on his subsequent research. Wikipedia

    Born: December 12, 1855, Russia

    Died: October 30, 1942, Aldershot, Canada

    Education: Harvard University

    Citizenship: Russian (1855–73); German (1874–1877); American (1878–1942)

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      Stanley ....
      July 12, 2019
      Are you mocking your God ? Not knowimg how the universe created and yet you think your God created it ? Isn't it silly ? When the very same God created 3 religions to fight each other.

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      Lou Newton
      Original Author 2:45 pm
      Stanley God did not create false religions. Men created these.

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      Lou Newton
      Original Author July 12, 2019
      Stanley the most proven theory in science is the Big Bang. It has been proven by 17 different branches of science in 17 different ways that were all independent of each other. It follows by very elementary reasoning that if there is a beginning then there has to be a Beginner.

      Some scientist like Michio Kaku have written books stating that we have proven scientifically that God exists.

      Your reasons are invalid. You claim that I can not know there is a God just because you do not know Him. I know Calculus, do you. I knew my earthly father, but you did not. Just because you did not know him does not mean I was not sure he existed. Because someone does not know of calculus is not a reason to claim it does not exist. I know The Lord Jesus as well as I knew my earthly father. I am sure that I know Him. Just because you do not know He even exists is not evidence that he does not exist. It is only evidence that you do not know Him. But I do.

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      Stanley ....
      July 12, 2019
      Please be honest and don't put words into my mouth or fingers. I never say you cannot claim there is a God because I don't know. I know many Gods in Asian culture that you don't know too. I am saying you cannot claim your God created anything just because you don't know the cause of it. I am also about to say the Christianity God is fake and non-existent, do you want the evidence ?

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      Lou Newton
      Original Author 2:27 pm
      Stanley you can claim what you know and do not know. But it is ridiculous for you to claim what I know or do not know. Can you make a,list of things I know ? Then you also can not claim what I do not know. Just because you do not know if there is God or not; has no bearing on what I know. Lets say I know Calculus and you do not. Can you then say Calculus does not exist because you do not know it. I am well aware that many claim to know God and do not. But their false claims do not make my claim any less true.

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      Ronald ...........
      2h ago
      God didn't create religions…. MAN DID! God doesn't need ANY religious institutions to be God. God is God no matter what anybody believes. We have to create all these different religions to be in conflict and compete with one another , like we have to have different sports teams and political parties . MAN loves to create divisions with things..As people we even divide ourselves into different groups and races and nationalities . The same blood that sustains our lives runs through all people and all people ARE children of God, but that doesn't stop us . STOP blaming God for doing things that we ourselves are TOTALLY responsible for. It's passing the buck, isn't it…and we sure as HELL know how to do THAT!

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