Messages from Mary? Or a deception from the enemy?

[Jules]

Sparing everyone the reason that led me to this video, I present it here as a warning for us all.
This video is 1 hour 20 minutes long. I found it well worth the time it took to watch it. There is a great deception coming onto all the earth - and this may well be a big part of that deception.


From the video's description:

A spirit has been appearing all over the world claiming to be the "Virgin Mary" and using titles like "The Queen of Heaven". The Bible tells us to test the spirits and not to believe every spirit. This documentary does exactly that. What does the term "Queen of Heaven" mean in the Bible? How do the claims of this spirit line up with the Biblical depiction of saint Mary? Is this spirit really who it claims to be, or is this a demon disguised as an "angel of light"?

[Blane]

Thanks for posting this, Jules. Looking forward to watching it.

Blane

[Lou Newton]

Sparing everyone the reason that led me to this video, I present it here as a warning for us all.
This video is 1 hour 20 minutes long. I found it well worth the time it took to watch it. There is a great deception coming onto all the earth - and this may well be a big part of that deception.


From the video's description:

The Queen of Heaven is one of the idols that fallen Judah worshipped and caused God to destroy Jerusalem with the Babylonian army.

Jeremiah 44 New International Version (NIV)

Disaster Because of Idolatry

44 This word came to Jeremiah concerning all the Jews living in Lower Egypt—in Migdol, Tahpanhes and Memphis—and in Upper Egypt: 2 “This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You saw the great disaster I brought on Jerusalem and on all the towns of Judah. Today they lie deserted and in ruins 3 because of the evil they have done. They aroused my anger by burning incense to and worshiping other gods that neither they nor you nor your ancestors ever knew. 4 Again and again I sent my servants the prophets, who said, ‘Do not do this detestable thing that I hate!’ 5 But they did not listen or pay attention; they did not turn from their wickedness or stop burning incense to other gods. 6 Therefore, my fierce anger was poured out; it raged against the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem and made them the desolate ruins they are today.

7 “Now this is what the Lord God Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Why bring such great disaster on yourselves by cutting off from Judah the men and women, the children and infants, and so leave yourselves without a remnant? 8 Why arouse my anger with what your hands have made, burning incense to other gods in Egypt, where you have come to live? You will destroy yourselves and make yourselves a curse and an object of reproach among all the nations on earth. 9 Have you forgotten the wickedness committed by your ancestors and by the kings and queens of Judah and the wickedness committed by you and your wives in the land of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem? 10 To this day they have not humbled themselves or shown reverence, nor have they followed my law and the decrees I set before you and your ancestors.

11 “Therefore this is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I am determined to bring disaster on you and to destroy all Judah. 12 I will take away the remnant of Judah who were determined to go to Egypt to settle there. They will all perish in Egypt; they will fall by the sword or die from famine. From the least to the greatest, they will die by sword or famine. They will become a curse and an object of horror, a curse and an object of reproach. 13 I will punish those who live in Egypt with the sword, famine and plague, as I punished Jerusalem. 14 None of the remnant of Judah who have gone to live in Egypt will escape or survive to return to the land of Judah, to which they long to return and live; none will return except a few fugitives.”

15 Then all the men who knew that their wives were burning incense to other gods, along with all the women who were present—a large assembly—and all the people living in Lower and Upper Egypt, said to Jeremiah, 16 “We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord! 17 We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. 18 But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”

19 The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”

20 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, both men and women, who were answering him, 21 “Did not the Lord remember and call to mind the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your ancestors, your kings and your officials and the people of the land? 22 When the Lord could no longer endure your wicked actions and the detestable things you did, your land became a curse and a desolate waste without inhabitants, as it is today. 23 Because you have burned incense and have sinned against the Lord and have not obeyed him or followed his law or his decrees or his stipulations, this disaster has come upon you, as you now see.”

24 Then Jeremiah said to all the people, including the women, “Hear the word of the Lord, all you people of Judah in Egypt. 25 This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You and your wives have done what you said you would do when you promised, ‘We will certainly carry out the vows we made to burn incense and pour out drink offerings to the Queen of Heaven.’

“Go ahead then, do what you promised! Keep your vows! 26 But hear the word of the Lord, all you Jews living in Egypt: ‘I swear by my great name,’ says the Lord, ‘that no one from Judah living anywhere in Egypt will ever again invoke my name or swear, “As surely as the Sovereign Lord lives.” 27 For I am watching over them for harm, not for good; the Jews in Egypt will perish by sword and famine until they are all destroyed. 28 Those who escape the sword and return to the land of Judah from Egypt will be very few. Then the whole remnant of Judah who came to live in Egypt will know whose word will stand—mine or theirs.

29 “‘This will be the sign to you that I will punish you in this place,’ declares the Lord, ‘so that you will know that my threats of harm against you will surely stand.’ 30 This is what the Lord says: ‘I am going to deliver Pharaoh Hophra king of Egypt into the hands of his enemies who want to kill him, just as I gave Zedekiah king of Judah into the hands of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, the enemy who wanted to kill him.’”

[Baruch]

Thanks for posting this, Julie.

In my youth, I had seen a shrine in passing where I grew up, but had never been intrigued enough to inquire or research the lady. Very recently this has been raised in my awareness, possibly by our Lord, particularly surrounding unity and world peace: particularly, Vatican believes Our Lady of Fatima is the key to uniting Christianity and Islam--if this didn't raise my hackles and my curiosity. Anyone watching religious politics out of Vatican lately may be sensing some puzzle pieces lining up.

Plugging "fatima key christianity islam" into a search engine turns up some curious articles.

This one in particular highlights the depth of Catholic myth surrounding "our lady", the queen of heaven: OUR LADY AND ISLAM: HEAVEN’S PEACE PLAN, Fr Ladis J. Cizik, Blue Army National Executive Director. Error and deception and counterfeit, sentence after sentence. This apparition seems to be recorded as early as the 1500's.

From the movie I picked up on Conyers, GA. A web search turned up conyers.org at the top of the list, precisely what I was searching for. Apparently this "our lady" ranch is a huge attraction. I lament to report the name Jesus first appears near the bottom of the home page.

The speakers in the movie seemed to effectively address most of the "wrong" things about this. In addition I could not help but notice the trance state (fixed, glazed eyes) especially of the Medjugorje visionaries, and most of the people praying to the idols. One woman exhibited signs of demonic manifestation.

I'm curious, too, what was the reason that led you to this--if it is relevant, and only if you can and wish to share it.

Lou, I was confident you'd seize on the reference to queen of heaven. It is astonishing, is it not, how many claim to receive this title directly from the lips of the apparition and do not understand?

[Lou Newton]

Hebrews 7 (New International Version)

Melchizedek the Priest
1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him, 2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means "king of righteousness"; then also, "king of Salem" means "king of peace." 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever. 4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! 5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, their brothers--even though their brothers are descended from Abraham. 6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. 7 And without doubt the lesser person is blessed by the greater. 8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by men who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. 9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.
Jesus Like Melchizedek
11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law. 13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek." 18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. 20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: "The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: 'You are a priest forever.' " 22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant. 23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. 26 Such a high priest meets our need--one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

Melchizedek and Jesus are one and the same. Melchizedek has no Father and no Mother.

So Jesus has no Father and no Mother.

Now that means that Mary is NOT the mother of The Lord Jesus, but she is the mother of His human flesh. For Jesus was BOTH God and Man. She is NOT the mother of God, but the mother of His manhood.

Of course it also means Jesus has no Father, for he is The Father. For it says he has no Father. Now the manhood of Jesus has a Father and a mother. God is the Father of His manhood and Mary is the mother of His manhood.

Jesus is The Father of Mary, Mary is NOT the mother of God.

John 1
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

No mention of Mary here. She was NOT there in the beginning. There is no mention of Mary until the NT.

Jesus has no beginning and no end. Jesus has always existed. Mary has a beginning of her life and she has a human father and human mother. Mary lived and died and she has not yet rose from the dead. But demons do live and are able to speak to us if we give them place and seek to hear from them.

The Book of Revelation never mentions Mary, but it focuses on Jesus.

These idol worshippers have it reversed. They focus of Mary and hardly mention Jesus.

They believe because this evil spirit tells them to read the Bible and follow Jesus.

But Jesus told us to judge by the fruit.

The fruit of her apparition is that these people worship the Queen of Heaven. It makes no difference if they read their Bibles if they worship false gods while they read.

Satan will gladly inspire them to read the scriptures if they worship false gods as a result.

Isaiah 43
." 10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. 11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior. 12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed-- I, and not some foreign god among you. You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "that I am God. 13 Yes, and from ancient days I am he. No one can deliver out of my hand. When I act, who can reverse it?"

There is not a family of gods. The Mother, the Father and the Son.

The Bible never once tells us that God is a Mother, a Father and a Son.

But it does say when Jesus was asked what is the most important command of God:

Mark 12:29
“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.

There is no mention here of a mother, nor is there anywhere in the Bible.

Lou Newton

[Jules]

In my youth, I had seen a shrine in passing where I grew up, but had never been intrigued enough to inquire or research the lady. Very recently this has been raised in my awareness, possibly by our Lord, particularly surrounding unity and world peace: particularly, Vatican believes Our Lady of Fatima is the key to uniting Christianity and Islam--if this didn't raise my hackles and my curiosity. Anyone watching religious politics out of Vatican lately may be sensing some puzzle pieces lining up.

I'm curious, too, what was the reason that led you to this--if it is relevant, and only if you can and wish to share it.

Well, my friend Baruch, apparently I am not the only person compelled to research this phenomena. I, too, have been seeing an increased level of (for lack of the right words here) "Let's all see what we can agree on so we can get along" going on in all the main religions. Now the vatican has been gathering leaders from all religions trying to find common ground. I believe Mary will be it. Muslims do NOT believe allah had a son...but they do have a reverence for Mary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_in_Islam

In this video, they explain that one of the apparition's promises is that when EVERYONE proclaims "her" as queen of heaven, she will bring peace to the world. And we all know what happens then!

1 Thes 5:3

King James Bible
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

[Jules]

Lou, thank you for your posts on Jeremiah. There is also this one:

Jeremiah 7:18
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

I don't understand how people who profess to be God-fearing Bible-reading Christians can not see this...but there are so many things I don't see, either, so there ya go.

[Lou Newton]

Lou, thank you for your posts on Jeremiah. There is also this one:



I don't understand how people who profess to be God-fearing Bible-reading Christians can not see this...but there are so many things I don't see, either, so there ya go.

Amen Julie..........................Lou

[Baruch]

Well, my friend Baruch, apparently I am not the only person compelled to research this phenomena. I, too, have been seeing an increased level of (for lack of the right words here) "Let's all see what we can agree on so we can get along" going on in all the main religions. Now the vatican has been gathering leaders from all religions trying to find common ground. I believe Mary will be it. Muslims do NOT believe allah had a son...but they do have a reverence for Mary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_in_Islam

In this video, they explain that one of the apparition's promises is that when EVERYONE proclaims "her" as queen of heaven, she will bring peace to the world. And we all know what happens then!

1 Thes 5:3

That is remarkable, Julie. I didn't know Marian mythology was so rich in Islamic literature and tradition. I have a couple concerns with this, they are not small.

1. We know how controlling and unscrupulous and dangerous RCC has been historically, and we know the same about Islam. Uniting these two is a Bad Thing(tm).
2. Marian doctrine, with its supernatural "proofs" and message of world peace, is very appealing. As we are seeing, people want to believe it, despite sober reasoning grounded in Holy Scripture, from conservative leaders.

We also know people get unreasonably angry and violent when their idols are attacked. Compounding this fact is the fair expectation that anyone opposing a Marian movement would be seen as an opponent of world peace. These will be persecuted with all the fervor of the spirits of RCC and Islam.

One more concern is something that currently remains elusive. Satan is magnitudes more intelligent than we are. He knows the value of having elaborate layers in his trade: of knowledge, revelation, plans, misinformation, masks. Men get tangled up pretty easily trying to manage their lies; but Satan is the master of it, able to hold it together against every scrutiny but the sword of truth. This "queen of heaven" apparition strikes me as a target dummy. Not only does it lead men astray in believing after it; it also may lead us astray, thinking we've identified the Harlot in this neat little, formidably deceptive but manageable package. When in reality the real Harlot is much deeper, elaborate, messier, and harder to discern as an entity. I'm not drawing a conclusion here, just pulling at loose threads.

It just seems to me that if learned men have read the clearly printed words of the Holy Scripture for many years and many are challenged to discern the Spirit, then isn't it reasonable to suspect learned men have lived under Mystery Babylon for an entire lifetime and fail to discern its spirit?

[Lou Newton]

That is remarkable, Julie. I didn't know Marian mythology was so rich in Islamic literature and tradition. I have a couple concerns with this, they are not small.

1. We know how controlling and unscrupulous and dangerous RCC has been historically, and we know the same about Islam. Uniting these two is a Bad Thing(tm).
2. Marian doctrine, with its supernatural "proofs" and message of world peace, is very appealing. As we are seeing, people want to believe it, despite sober reasoning grounded in Holy Scripture, from conservative leaders.

We also know people get unreasonably angry and violent when their idols are attacked. Compounding this fact is the fair expectation that anyone opposing a Marian movement would be seen as an opponent of world peace. These will be persecuted with all the fervor of the spirits of RCC and Islam.

One more concern is something that currently remains elusive. Satan is magnitudes more intelligent than we are. He knows the value of having elaborate layers in his trade: of knowledge, revelation, plans, misinformation, masks. Men get tangled up pretty easily trying to manage their lies; but Satan is the master of it, able to hold it together against every scrutiny but the sword of truth. This "queen of heaven" apparition strikes me as a target dummy. Not only does it lead men astray in believing after it; it also may lead us astray, thinking we've identified the Harlot in this neat little, formidably deceptive but manageable package. When in reality the real Harlot is much deeper, elaborate, messier, and harder to discern as an entity. I'm not drawing a conclusion here, just pulling at loose threads.

It just seems to me that if learned men have read the clearly printed words of the Holy Scripture for many years and many are challenged to discern the Spirit, then isn't it reasonable to suspect learned men have lived under Mystery Babylon for an entire lifetime and fail to discern its spirit?

Thanks Julie and Barry,

Some good observations here......................Lou

[Jules]

That is remarkable, Julie. I didn't know Marian mythology was so rich in Islamic literature and tradition. I have a couple concerns with this, they are not small.

1. We know how controlling and unscrupulous and dangerous RCC has been historically, and we know the same about Islam. Uniting these two is a Bad Thing(tm).
2. Marian doctrine, with its supernatural "proofs" and message of world peace, is very appealing. As we are seeing, people want to believe it, despite sober reasoning grounded in Holy Scripture, from conservative leaders.

We also know people get unreasonably angry and violent when their idols are attacked. Compounding this fact is the fair expectation that anyone opposing a Marian movement would be seen as an opponent of world peace. These will be persecuted with all the fervor of the spirits of RCC and Islam.

One more concern is something that currently remains elusive. Satan is magnitudes more intelligent than we are. He knows the value of having elaborate layers in his trade: of knowledge, revelation, plans, misinformation, masks. Men get tangled up pretty easily trying to manage their lies; but Satan is the master of it, able to hold it together against every scrutiny but the sword of truth. This "queen of heaven" apparition strikes me as a target dummy. Not only does it lead men astray in believing after it; it also may lead us astray, thinking we've identified the Harlot in this neat little, formidably deceptive but manageable package. When in reality the real Harlot is much deeper, elaborate, messier, and harder to discern as an entity. I'm not drawing a conclusion here, just pulling at loose threads.

It just seems to me that if learned men have read the clearly printed words of the Holy Scripture for many years and many are challenged to discern the Spirit, then isn't it reasonable to suspect learned men have lived under Mystery Babylon for an entire lifetime and fail to discern its spirit?

Oh my....much too early in the week for such meat as you've provided! And now that I see you've TM'd a Bad Thing, I'll really have to watch myself.

However, on a serious note, you've hit on several items I believe we totally agree on.
Indeed, stepping on the Marian toes of my backyard neighbor has escalated into major conflict and turmoil with them, as Lou has been privy to hearing about. We can PM over that one as I'm not going to drag that laundry out into public, but yep yep they do get testy when you mention conflicts with the very scriptures they claim to hold to.

Mystery Babylon is far, far more than a religion such as RCC. It is all of them, imo. It is far, far more even than that, tho, I believe. It is every anti-Christ, anti-God, anti-truth all rolled up into one. One what? I dunno... I'm pretty convinced it all goes back to the beginning in Eden when the serpent told Eve she would not surely die, and he himself desires to sit on the very throne of God. Truly, it's way over my head. All I can do is trust on my Lord Jesus to save me.

and that's my :twocents:

Let me chew on your message for a bit. I'm hoping I can come up with something more profound...

[Travis]

That's a long video.

I won't lie, I didn't watch it all.

It is interesting how something seems so real to one group of people, but just looks ridiculous to another group of people. The way many people worship Mary gives me the creeps.

[Jules]

That's a long video.

I won't lie, I didn't watch it all.

It is interesting how something seems so real to one group of people, but just looks ridiculous to another group of people. The way many people worship Mary gives me the creeps.

And that's the problem, Travis. It looks to me like the rcc has made God almost unapproachable, and is trying to replace Jesus with Mary as intercessor between God and man.

p.s. I don't blame you for not watching it. It is pretty long

[baobab]

Our Ladyof Fat-lemur

Thanks far sharing this Jules.
I think the Vatican may have purchased a world class holograph machine.