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**Travis** · April 23, 2015, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post

This man does not seem to had read much of the scripture or about the life of Jesus:

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If he wants this private jet to preach the gospel in Muslim nations as he claims.

He would not let the lack of a private jet stop him.

Why wait, get of a airline to Iran, Saudi Arabia, or the part of Irag that ISIS controls.

If God grants whatever he believes to ask, and he believes he is sent to the Muslims as he claims: then get on a airline to ISIS controlled territory where they are beheading Christians. The whole world is waiting to see him preach to these Muslims that will not be able to harm him as long as he asks God for protection.

He claims Jesus will grant whatever he can believe for. And he claims he is sent to preach the gospel to the Muslims.

So why is he not already preaching there ? What is he waiting for ?

Or is it too inconvenient to travel on a public airline. Jesus did not even own a donkey and had to borrow one. Jesus walked to preach the gospel. But I guess he thinks Jesus did not have enough faith for a private jet.

I wonder what he thinks of this scripture:

How is the scripture below true, if what he says is also true:

Lou Newton

That last things Creflo needs is another Dollar.

**Lou Newton** · April 23, 2015, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by Travis View Post

That last things Creflo needs is another Dollar.

Apparently he can not ask Jesus directly for the money. He needs to get poor people to give it to him under the guise they are giving it to The Lord Jesus.

The sad thing is all the people believing this stuff he is preaching. No wonder we are losing this nation. The people have lost all wisdom. They can not identify a con man preacher, or a con man candidate.

Thanks for the reply Travis.

Lou

**Baruch** · April 24, 2015, 09:44 AM

Lou, thanks for the wise response to this wolf.

I agree, Travis. It is very sad that so many follow a man who flagrantly worships money.

"This is on of the most disturbing things you might ever see." (at the 33-second mark)

You Call This the Gospel - Wretched TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxeTjrckl0#t=33

Wretched: You Call This the Gospel? Episode 460.MORE about the "Prosperity Gospel" here:http://www.truthendures.com/question-what-bible-prosperity-gospel/Als...

**Lou Newton** · April 24, 2015, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Baruch View Post

Lou, thanks for the wise response to this wolf.

I agree, Travis. It is very sad that so many follow a man who flagrantly worships money.

"This is on of the most disturbing things you might ever see." (at the 33-second mark)

You Call This the Gospel - Wretched TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxeTjrckl0#t=33

Wretched: You Call This the Gospel? Episode 460.MORE about the "Prosperity Gospel" here:http://www.truthendures.com/question-what-bible-prosperity-gospel/Als...

Thanks for the reply Barry.

How true.

Even more grievous is the fact that these two preach that they can ANOINT this money or anything else.

There is One and Only One who can ANOINT, and that is The Lord Jesus.

These two are claiming that they are Jesus and they are not even aware that they are doing so.

Is anyone so dull that they think they can control The Holy Spirit of The Lord Jesus as one would pour out water.

NO MOVE OF GOD STARTS WITH ANY MAN

EVERY MOVE OF GOD IS STARTED BY GOD ALONE

2 Peter 1

19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

**Jules** · April 24, 2015, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Travis View Post

That last things Creflo needs is another Dollar.

That made me :lol:

Someone once referred to him as CreepLow ForaDollar. Might seem funny but it's a very sad commentary on him, imo.

I think this may be paraphrasing Lou, but prosperity preachers and faith healers are most likely God's answer to what we have asked for. And that is even sadder and scarier than the creflo nickname joke.

**Lou Newton** · April 24, 2015, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Jules View Post

That made me :lol:

Someone once referred to him as CreepLow ForaDollar. Might seem funny but it's a very sad commentary on him, imo.

I think this may be paraphrasing Lou, but prosperity preachers and faith healers are most likely God's answer to what we have asked for. And that is even sadder and scarier than the creflo nickname joke.

It all comes down to this:

Who is God who is supposed to be The Shepard

And who are His followers

Those that claim they can ask for whatever they believe (want) are NOT following at all

But thy are trying to lead God. Since when does God need their advice for what He should do or what he should give, or what he should preach.

A true follower of The Lord Jesus knows that he is a sinner and does not desire to lead

But he desires to follow

He fears taking one step unless The Lord would lead him to take that step

Romans 11
Doxology

33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and[i] knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

John 3
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit.7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

Jesus uses the wind here as a shadow of His Holy Spirit.

Jesus tells us that we do NOT know where he comes from or where he is going.

But these men claim to know where God is going and they can speak and it is like God speaking.

Or they can walk on money and anoint it, their feet are the same as the feet of Jesus.

Of course where ever Jesus walks the ground is anointed, or Holy.

BUT Jesus never once anointed anything to give to one of his children by walking on it.

Jesus anointed His servants with His HANDS.

These men walk on the money for their followers, just as they walk on their followers.

You can bet those bills were not $100. But they were Ones, or fives.

They claim that if they walk on the gift they give them it will pay all their bills.

BTW, who would want these dollars after their filthy feet had been on it. They walk in the rest room. etc.

Would they want a gift after there followers had walked on it.

But why not exercise their own so called FAITH, which they CLAIM IS SUPERIOR.

Give their millions to the people to pay their bills with.

Instead of a private jet, pay these people's rent, or food.

After all they have faith to ask for whatever they want.

So give all their money away and god will certainly bless them with a Jet, if WHAT THEY SAY IS TRUE.

NO - NO they expect the people who even they claim have a small faith to pray for their bills.

While they have millions to pay these peoples bills.

Then these preachers, who claim to have such strong faith, can show the world how true their claim is by asking God and receiving what they ask for.

Certainly if God will bless the people, for giving to others, God will bless them for giving everything they have to others.

They continually ask the people to exercise their faith, while these preachers refuse to exercise their own claims of what faith is.

THEY DO NOT DO THIS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY ARE PREACHING A LIE.

It is as James says:

They ask not because they do not believe themselves.

**Blane** · April 25, 2015, 02:18 AM

I used to think that men like this were simply preying on innocent and naive believers. But sometimes false prophets and foolish shepards are judgments from God. Scripture says that God sometimes sends them to destroy people. That is, people who have consistently proven that they hate the truth and love lies.

Blane

**Lou Newton** · April 25, 2015, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Blane View Post

I used to think that men like this were simply preying on innocent and naive believers. But sometimes false prophets and foolish shepards are judgments from God. Scripture says that God sometimes sends them to destroy people. That is, people who have consistently proven that they hate the truth and love lies.

Blane

Yes, when you watch the faces of many of these people, they are loving what these men are doing; when they should be disgusted with their actions.

BUT The Lord will hold these false prophets more accountable than He does the people.

In Jeremiah 28 the false prophet Hananiah told the King and the people what they wanted to hear:

Jeremiah 28 New International Version (NIV)

The False Prophet Hananiah

28 In the fifth month of that same year, the fourth year, early in the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, the prophet Hananiah son of Azzur, who was from Gibeon, said to me in the house of the Lord in the presence of the priests and all the people: 2 “This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: ‘I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon. 3 Within two years I will bring back to this place all the articles of the Lord’s house that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon removed from here and took to Babylon. 4 I will also bring back to this place Jehoiachin[a] son of Jehoiakim king of Judah and all the other exiles from Judah who went to Babylon,’ declares the Lord, ‘for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.’”
5 Then the prophet Jeremiah replied to the prophet Hananiah before the priests and all the people who were standing in the house of the Lord. 6 He said, “Amen! May the Lord do so! May the Lord fulfill the words you have prophesied by bringing the articles of the Lord’s house and all the exiles back to this place from Babylon. 7 Nevertheless, listen to what I have to say in your hearing and in the hearing of all the people: 8 From early times the prophets who preceded you and me have prophesied war, disaster and plague against many countries and great kingdoms. 9 But the prophet who prophesies peace will be recognized as one truly sent by the Lord only if his prediction comes true.”
10 Then the prophet Hananiah took the yoke off the neck of the prophet Jeremiah and broke it, 11 and he said before all the people, “This is what theLord says: ‘In the same way I will break the yoke of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon off the neck of all the nations within two years.’” At this, the prophet Jeremiah went on his way.
12 After the prophet Hananiah had broken the yoke off the neck of the prophet Jeremiah, the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah: 13 “Go and tell Hananiah, ‘This is what the Lord says: You have broken a wooden yoke, but in its place you will get a yoke of iron. 14This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I will put an iron yoke on the necks of all these nations to make them serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and they will serve him. I will even give him control over the wild animals.’”
15 Then the prophet Jeremiah said to Hananiah the prophet, “Listen, Hananiah! The Lord has not sent you, yet you have persuaded this nation to trust in lies.16 Therefore this is what the Lord says: ‘I am about to remove you from the face of the earth. This very year you are going to die, because you have preached rebellion against the Lord.’”
17 In the seventh month of that same year, Hananiah the prophet died.

While The Lord gave the people a yoke of iron that they could not break and they had to serve the King of Babylon, which was totally just because they were worshiping just as the people in Babylon had done. So The Lord showed them what the King that they worshiped was truly like. They did not like that King. He was not full of mercy like The Lord was.

BUT The Lord removed the false prophet Hananiah from the face of the earth a very short time later.

While some of the people who lived were able to see their error and repent;

The false prophet Hananiah died and went on to be judged in Highest Court in Heaven by The Lord Jesus.

It s a very serious offense to preach lies to the people.

Lou Newton

**The Knight** · September 17, 2015, 06:04 PM

When I first started, I used to be in the prosperity Gospel. I didn't know any better. God eventually led me out of it.

I don't make fun of congregations like this. I honestly believe that most of them don't know any better: the same way I used to be.

However, I also believe if they truly seek the Lord, they'll be led to the truth about this movement. (John 16:13)

The sad part about that video is that those people aren't even worshiping God. They're just throwing a bunch of money at someone's feet while he preys upon their emotions.

God bless.

**Lou Newton** · September 17, 2015, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by The Knight View Post

When I first started, I used to be in the prosperity Gospel. I didn't know any better. God eventually led me out of it.

I don't make fun of congregations like this. I honestly believe that most of them don't know any better: the same way I used to be.

However, I also believe if they truly seek the Lord, they'll be led to the truth about this movement. (John 16:13)

The sad part about that video is that those people aren't even worshiping God. They're just throwing a bunch of money at someone's feet while he preys upon their emotions.

God bless.

Amen Karl, how true. Thanks for the reply.

Lou

**Baruch** · September 18, 2015, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by The Knight View Post

When I first started, I used to be in the prosperity Gospel. I didn't know any better. God eventually led me out of it.

I don't make fun of congregations like this. I honestly believe that most of them don't know any better: the same way I used to be.

However, I also believe if they truly seek the Lord, they'll be led to the truth about this movement. (John 16:13)

The sad part about that video is that those people aren't even worshiping God. They're just throwing a bunch of money at someone's feet while he preys upon their emotions.

God bless.

It sure looks bad. Makes me wince inside. Maybe on the outside, too. I appreciate your reaction to it, brother. Paul didn't make fun of the Athenians for their statue "To The Unknown God". Ridicule closes doors. Paul saw an open door, and unbelievers were blessed by it.

Sometimes times it's necessary to till the soil (expose the error, or other preparations), that another may come along and plant.

I hope I have ears to hear what the Spirit says at those times, to do what is expedient and right.

**Lou Newton** · September 18, 2015, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by Baruch View Post

It sure looks bad. Makes me wince inside. Maybe on the outside, too. I appreciate your reaction to it, brother. Paul didn't make fun of the Athenians for their statue "To The Unknown God". Ridicule closes doors. Paul saw an open door, and unbelievers were blessed by it.

Sometimes times it's necessary to till the soil (expose the error, or other preparations), that another may come along and plant.

I hope I have ears to hear what the Spirit says at those times, to do what is expedient and right.

Amen, good comment Barry.

**Steve Hollander** · September 18, 2015, 10:56 AM

I think I need a jet plane to preach the gospel too. Although since I am not a very good preacher, I probably would wind up selling it and donating the money.

So I guess I don't really need a plane to preach the gospel. I want a plane to preach the gospel. But since most of the people I need to preach the gospel to are on the ground and not in the air, I suppose I can do without the plane. But I think it probably would increase my ability to sucker, I mean get people to give me money and help me achieve higher levels of vast wealth. Wealth that will not make me happy ultimately or satisfy me for more than a fleeting moment, until I need another plane, or maybe just the newer model.

Either way, I really would settle for a new truck and Creflo can keep the plane. But for now it doesn't look like I will get either. But it could always be worse. There is always someone worse off than myself.

Knowing that, how could I possibly accept money from people that are struggling to increase my excess? Just because a ministry supports a person does not remove the necessity for that person to also be charitable. So how can one be charitable if one attempts to extort from the very people that help to sustain one?

Yet that's what these guys do, extort from the very people that look up to them and place way to much faith in a person instead of God. And that's because the person is not pointing the people to God but rather to himself and his selfish needs.

God forgive that man but it would be better to be the one that is extorted from than the extortionist. Blessings ..... Steve

**Lou Newton** · September 18, 2015, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by Steve Hollander View Post

I think I need a jet plane to preach the gospel too. Although since I am not a very good preacher, I probably would wind up selling it and donating the money.

So I guess I don't really need a plane to preach the gospel. I want a plane to preach the gospel. But since most of the people I need to preach the gospel to are on the ground and not in the air, I suppose I can do without the plane. But I think it probably would increase my ability to sucker, I mean get people to give me money and help me achieve higher levels of vast wealth. Wealth that will not make me happy ultimately or satisfy me for more than a fleeting moment, until I need another plane, or maybe just the newer model.

Either way, I really would settle for a new truck and Creflo can keep the plane. But for now it doesn't look like I will get either. But it could always be worse. There is always someone worse off than myself.

Knowing that, how could I possibly accept money from people that are struggling to increase my excess? Just because a ministry supports a person does not remove the necessity for that person to also be charitable. So how can one be charitable if one attempts to extort from the very people that help to sustain one?

Yet that's what these guys do, extort from the very people that look up to them and place way to much faith in a person instead of God. And that's because the person is not pointing the people to God but rather to himself and his selfish needs.

God forgive that man but it would be better to be the one that is extorted from than the extortionist. Blessings ..... Steve

WOW, very good comment Steve. Thanks so much for making this valuable comment. I enjoyed reading it and was encouraged to try to do the Lord's will.

Lou

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