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  • Who is the beast in The Revelation

    I found this video very interesting. What are your thoughts about it.


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    First, the splicing together scripture passages is not justifiable as a defensible method of interpretation. If anyone wishes to understand the Epistle of John titled the Revelation, they should become knowledgeable of the four or six major views (depending what is used to categorize the views) and the best criticism of each. The papacy or Roman Catholic Church as the beast is part of the historist view held by some of the church through the nineteenth century and modified and continued today by the Seventh Day Adventist. This view was held by all the Reformers and the Franciscans and is represented in the old Haley's Bible Handbook. This video trims the facts and interpretations to fit a preconceived model of the modern historist view by Ellen G. White made up after the failed predictions of the Millerites in 1844.

    This is a Seventh Day Adventist video. This denominations proclaims the mark of the beast are the churches who worship on Sunday rather than the Sabbath Day. Their presentation, like most unbiblical interpretations, find fertile ground among Christians who are persuaded because of their biblical ignorance and the difficulty of becoming proficient in eschatology. The same may be said of the premillennial dispensationalist view of eschatology. Once the presuppositions for a particular view are accepted it is nearly impossible for most believers to change. I am on my fourth view.

    Premillennial dispensationalism starting in the late 1830's found fertile ground in the "Great Disappointment" of the Millerites. In America one of every seventeen people had gone to a hill top to wait on the return of Jesus - three different times. The "Great Disappointment" caused such disappointment using the predictions of the historist view it allowed the first alternative view presented to be readily grasped. This view was often premillennial dispensationalism.

    I think because of the multiple failed predictions by the premillennial dispensationalist there will be fertile ground again for an alternative view of eschatology when the last possible dates have passed for their revised and revised again predictions. This date is about 2067 (1967 +100 years).

    Last note: Ellen G. White's Seventh Day Adventist teach that Miller got it wrong. Jesus did not return in 1844 but begin the judgement, and when He finishes judging the second coming happens. Accordingly, Jesus has been judging for 173 years. And you thought American courts were slow to dispense justice.
    Last edited by glen smith; April 23, 2017, 12:43 AM.

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      Originally posted by glen smith View Post
      First, the splicing together scripture passages is not justifiable as a defensible method of interpretation. If anyone wishes to understand the Epistle of John titled the Revelation, they should become knowledgeable of the four or six major views (depending what is used to categorize the views) and the best criticism of each. The papacy or Roman Catholic Church as the beast is part of the historist view held by some of the church through the nineteenth century and modified and continued today by the Seventh Day Adventist. This view was held by all the Reformers and the Franciscans and is represented in the old Haley's Bible Handbook. This video trims the facts and interpretations to fit a preconceived model of the modern historist view by Ellen G. White made up after the failed predictions of the Millerites in 1844.

      This is a Seventh Day Adventist video. This denominations proclaims the mark of the beast are the churches who worship on Sunday rather than the Sabbath Day. Their presentation, like most unbiblical interpretations, find fertile ground among Christians who are persuaded because of their biblical ignorance and the difficulty of becoming proficient in eschatology. The same may be said of the premillennial dispensationalist view of eschatology. Once the presuppositions for a particular view are accepted it is nearly impossible for most believers to change. I am on my fourth view.

      Premillennial dispensationalism starting in the late 1830's found fertile ground in the "Great Disappointment" of the Millerites. In America one of every seventeen people had gone to a hill top to wait on the return of Jesus - three different times. The "Great Disappointment" caused such disappointment using the predictions of the historist view it allowed the first alternative view presented to be readily grasped. This view was often premillennial dispensationalism.

      I think because of the multiple failed predictions by the premillennial dispensationalist there will be fertile ground again for an alternative view of eschatology when the last possible dates have passed for their revised and revised again predictions. This date is about 2067 (1967 +100 years).

      Last note: Ellen G. White's Seventh Day Adventist teach that Miller got it wrong. Jesus did not return in 1844 but begin the judgement, and when He finishes judging the second coming happens. Accordingly, Jesus has been judging for 173 years. And you thought American courts were slow to dispense justice.
      The disciples started meeting on the Lord's Day to show a new age had started. The Lord's day was the day He raised Himself from the dead. That is the first day of the week. It reveals to everyone that Jesus is our Sabbath.

      Almost all prophecies have a natural, then soulish, then spiritual fulfillment.

      Like first the natural city of Babylon ruled the earth and then was destroyed never to rise again.

      Then the political Babylon came after, that is Persia, then Greece, then Rome. Rome was the worst.

      Then the spiritual Babylon comes. The spiritual also covers the whole earth. It was started by the RCC but now is the whole false church that does not follow Christ, but follows men and doctrines instead.

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