I want to thank everyone on the forum for the insightful replies to the posts on Blaine’s, “All Israel will be saved? (Romans 9-11)” thread. I especially want to thank Steve for joining in.
Standard Disclaimer:
Jesus told the woman at the well, “…for Salvation is from the Jews”.
End of John 4:22
If I could choose my genetic heritage I would not hesitate to choose to be a biological son of Abraham. We cannot choose these things. Thankfully I have been grafted in to The Vine.
My family’s 20th Century Heroine of the Faith is Corrie ten Boom of Haarlem Netherlands. I visited the “Beje”, the house where she grew up. I visited there four different times. I stood in the very hiding place where the ten Booms hid the Jews. It was quite small but very fortified. The Nazis pounded on the brick wall not knowing there were terrified Jews hiding on the other side of the wall. They never found them.
I would be honored to give my life in defense of the Jews. I don’t say this lightly.
So… this is not a Jew bashing thread. On the contrary this thread is in defense of the Jews and more-so in defense of truth.
Standard disclaimer over.
Many Believers cannot navigate the muddied waters of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict in a meaningful way. My aim in this thread is to help us navigate these turbulent waters.
Few topics can match this subject in terms of controversy. It is possible to glean the truth out of the mountains of misinformation. It is not easy.
Some basic groundwork:
Modern Zionism and especially Theodor Herzl’s brand of Political Zionism cannot be found in Torah. It isn’t there. In fact it is anti Torah in all of its parts. It is not the Zion of Holy Scripture:
“Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.”
Psalm 48:1-2
This is the Zion of Holy Scripture.
Modern Israel is founded on Herzl’s brand of Political Zionism. Theodor Herzl is the father of Modern Zionism. Herzl was an atheist and his brand of Zionism was/is Political Zionism. There is also Religious Zionism. All of the founding fathers of Modern Israel and prime ministers have been/are Political Zionists. Political Zionism was a small minority in Europe in the 19th century. Most Jews were Religious Zionists like the “Fiddler of the Roof” people.
Today in Israel every Jewish child entering public school, and almost all private schools, are told they are “Zionists”. The brand of Zionism is political/national. It doesn’t matter if their parents are Torah Jews, non-religious or atheists. This muddies the waters. Not all Jews in Israel agree with Israeli policy and when they disagree their national loyalty is in question. Their “Zionism” is “tarnished”. Zionism covers too much ground to be an accurate label in identifying who the person is or what he believes.
Modern Zionism (Modern Israeli Government) claims to be the owner of all Jews and Judaism both in the Holy Land and Diaspora. The Pope claims to be the head of all Christendom. Both claims are invalid at all levels. This also muddies the waters.
Here’s a mudslide: Since the government of Modern Israel claims to represent all Jews worldwide then to disagree or criticize Modern Israel or Modern Zionism is ant-Jewish.
Modern Israel and Modern Zionism are anathema to Torah and Judaism so it is very possible to criticize Modern Israel and Modern Zionism without being anti-Jew. It is the job of the B'nai B'rith, ADL and many other Zionist organizations to brainwash the masses into believing Modern Zionism and Judaism are one and the same. If they are different then their whole foundation will fall apart. Right now the foundation is strained to the point of cracking apart.
Another source of mud is the fact that white supremacy groups and other similar hate groups use this information to lump all Jews together and blame all Jews for Zionist atrocities.
Henry Ford took the bait and funded Hitler with enough money to put a copy of, "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" in almost every German household. There IS NO Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. There is a Banker conspiracy to control the world and some of the bankers are Jewish but it is not a Jewish conspiracy. Henry found this out after WWII and hung his head in shame.
Here are some myths that are not difficult to dispel using declassified documentation from Israeli, U.S. and British archives:
A land without a people for a people without a land
The David VS Goliath scenario
Arabs were the aggressors
The 1967 was a defensive war
Arabs/Palestinians flooded to the Holy Land after the Israelis made the desert bloom
Arab leaders told the Palestinians to flee in 1948, …the Israeli’s did not chase them out
Modern Israel is a lamb among wolves
Palestinians hate the Jews because they are Jews; it is primarily religious in nature
Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians (as a gift) and the Palestinians messed it up
Palestinians are too stubborn to accept the generous peace deals Israel offered
Virtually the entire text of Joan Peter’s book, “From Time Immemorial”
There are more
This ends part 1
Standard Disclaimer:
Jesus told the woman at the well, “…for Salvation is from the Jews”.
End of John 4:22
If I could choose my genetic heritage I would not hesitate to choose to be a biological son of Abraham. We cannot choose these things. Thankfully I have been grafted in to The Vine.
My family’s 20th Century Heroine of the Faith is Corrie ten Boom of Haarlem Netherlands. I visited the “Beje”, the house where she grew up. I visited there four different times. I stood in the very hiding place where the ten Booms hid the Jews. It was quite small but very fortified. The Nazis pounded on the brick wall not knowing there were terrified Jews hiding on the other side of the wall. They never found them.
I would be honored to give my life in defense of the Jews. I don’t say this lightly.
So… this is not a Jew bashing thread. On the contrary this thread is in defense of the Jews and more-so in defense of truth.
Standard disclaimer over.
Many Believers cannot navigate the muddied waters of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict in a meaningful way. My aim in this thread is to help us navigate these turbulent waters.
Few topics can match this subject in terms of controversy. It is possible to glean the truth out of the mountains of misinformation. It is not easy.
Some basic groundwork:
Modern Zionism and especially Theodor Herzl’s brand of Political Zionism cannot be found in Torah. It isn’t there. In fact it is anti Torah in all of its parts. It is not the Zion of Holy Scripture:
“Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness. Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.”
Psalm 48:1-2
This is the Zion of Holy Scripture.
Modern Israel is founded on Herzl’s brand of Political Zionism. Theodor Herzl is the father of Modern Zionism. Herzl was an atheist and his brand of Zionism was/is Political Zionism. There is also Religious Zionism. All of the founding fathers of Modern Israel and prime ministers have been/are Political Zionists. Political Zionism was a small minority in Europe in the 19th century. Most Jews were Religious Zionists like the “Fiddler of the Roof” people.
Today in Israel every Jewish child entering public school, and almost all private schools, are told they are “Zionists”. The brand of Zionism is political/national. It doesn’t matter if their parents are Torah Jews, non-religious or atheists. This muddies the waters. Not all Jews in Israel agree with Israeli policy and when they disagree their national loyalty is in question. Their “Zionism” is “tarnished”. Zionism covers too much ground to be an accurate label in identifying who the person is or what he believes.
Modern Zionism (Modern Israeli Government) claims to be the owner of all Jews and Judaism both in the Holy Land and Diaspora. The Pope claims to be the head of all Christendom. Both claims are invalid at all levels. This also muddies the waters.
Here’s a mudslide: Since the government of Modern Israel claims to represent all Jews worldwide then to disagree or criticize Modern Israel or Modern Zionism is ant-Jewish.
Modern Israel and Modern Zionism are anathema to Torah and Judaism so it is very possible to criticize Modern Israel and Modern Zionism without being anti-Jew. It is the job of the B'nai B'rith, ADL and many other Zionist organizations to brainwash the masses into believing Modern Zionism and Judaism are one and the same. If they are different then their whole foundation will fall apart. Right now the foundation is strained to the point of cracking apart.
Another source of mud is the fact that white supremacy groups and other similar hate groups use this information to lump all Jews together and blame all Jews for Zionist atrocities.
Henry Ford took the bait and funded Hitler with enough money to put a copy of, "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" in almost every German household. There IS NO Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. There is a Banker conspiracy to control the world and some of the bankers are Jewish but it is not a Jewish conspiracy. Henry found this out after WWII and hung his head in shame.
Here are some myths that are not difficult to dispel using declassified documentation from Israeli, U.S. and British archives:
A land without a people for a people without a land
The David VS Goliath scenario
Arabs were the aggressors
The 1967 was a defensive war
Arabs/Palestinians flooded to the Holy Land after the Israelis made the desert bloom
Arab leaders told the Palestinians to flee in 1948, …the Israeli’s did not chase them out
Modern Israel is a lamb among wolves
Palestinians hate the Jews because they are Jews; it is primarily religious in nature
Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians (as a gift) and the Palestinians messed it up
Palestinians are too stubborn to accept the generous peace deals Israel offered
Virtually the entire text of Joan Peter’s book, “From Time Immemorial”
There are more
This ends part 1
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