Relationships: Nothing But Business

[The Knight]

I'd like to get some thoughts on this:


Relationships are nothing but business . The man gets his sex, the women gets her security, and they both get the benefit of not being alone. It's about trade and what you can get from the other person. And then when they get married, the pressure's on, the guy becomes whipped because too much of a pansy to stand up to his wife because he's afraid she'll leave him and he'll be all alone. When she snaps her fingers, he comes running.

And on top of that people stay together because of social status, because after all: what will people think?! We're leaders and well known in our community and even in our church and civic club! That's why people stay together even though they don't want to: they're afraid of what people will think about them or they just don't want to be alone. Take your pick.

And anyone who tells you marriage isn't a business relationship has never been through a divorce, because then it gets down to what it's always been about: dollars and cents. And speaking of divorce, the man becomes whipped because of that reason too, because he knows his wife has him by a chain and she can take him to court and slam him. He's fighting for his life because he knows once times get tough, the marriage is over and he's going to be paying alimony and child support when he barely make enough to support himself. And divorce is another proof of marriage not held in high regard. "Oh, well, it just happens", people say. I have a better idea: you should have made the right decision the first time. You never fell in love. You fell in lust. Everyone does, because deep down, everyone is looking out for number one.

You can have all your superficial relationship trash. I'm content with being alone forever. And if you're smart and strong, you will too.


My thoughts: Without knowing anything about this guy and just by reading his comments, I can tell he's been hurt bad and he has a lot of unforgiveness and bitterness in his heart. I mean, yeah, you do have instances where people don't want to be alone so they stay in unhealthy relationships. And you do have instances where people fall in lust and not fall in love. But come on, man. It's not all that way.

[Lou Newton]

I'd like to get some thoughts on this:


Relationships are nothing but business . The man gets his sex, the women gets her security, and they both get the benefit of not being alone. It's about trade and what you can get from the other person. And then when they get married, the pressure's on, the guy becomes whipped because too much of a pansy to stand up to his wife because he's afraid she'll leave him and he'll be all alone. When she snaps her fingers, he comes running.

And on top of that people stay together because of social status, because after all: what will people think?! We're leaders and well known in our community and even in our church and civic club! That's why people stay together even though they don't want to: they're afraid of what people will think about them or they just don't want to be alone. Take your pick.

And anyone who tells you marriage isn't a business relationship has never been through a divorce, because then it gets down to what it's always been about: dollars and cents. And speaking of divorce, the man becomes whipped because of that reason too, because he knows his wife has him by a chain and she can take him to court and slam him. He's fighting for his life because he knows once times get tough, the marriage is over and he's going to be paying alimony and child support when he barely make enough to support himself. And divorce is another proof of marriage not held in high regard. "Oh, well, it just happens", people say. I have a better idea: you should have made the right decision the first time. You never fell in love. You fell in lust. Everyone does, because deep down, everyone is looking out for number one.

You can have all your superficial relationship trash. I'm content with being alone forever. And if you're smart and strong, you will too.


My thoughts: Without knowing anything about this guy and just by reading his comments, I can tell he's been hurt bad and he has a lot of unforgiveness and bitterness in his heart. I mean, yeah, you do have instances where people don't want to be alone so they stay in unhealthy relationships. And you do have instances where people fall in lust and not fall in love. But come on, man. It's not all that way.

Hi Karl,

Thanks for posting this.

Jesus told us that FEW would find the way and the truth but the path to destruction was wide and most would follow it.

While it is true that this man speaks of the way of the world, those that take this way are settling for dung, instead of the love they could have with the way of Jesus.

I have been married more than once, and even I can tell you that there is real joy in giving; and taking from others to satisfy yourself leaves one with a hollow feeling in inside.

The love that a man is to have for a woman is supposed to be an example of how Jesus loves His people.

The love a woman shows a man is supposed to reveal how the church is to love The Lord.

Anyone that examines fully the crucifixion of Christ will not rightly conclude that Jesus shed His blood for His own benefit.

Jesus seen that mankind felt unloved and went to the cross to simply show mankind that He loved them.

I felt unloved a large portion of my life. But The Lord has shown me that He really loves me. I have NOTHING to offer Him. But He has everything to offer me.

Marriage has to be a covenant between three persons, Christ, the man and the woman. If the either the man or the woman leaves Christ out of the relationship then what this man writes about is almost bound to happen.

I am 72 and have had three failed marriages, yet I do NOT feel like the writer feels at all.

The only difference is that I know Jesus and He walks with me and talks with me everyday.

I testify to the truth of the following:

1 Corinthians 13Living Bible (TLB)


13 If I had the gift of being able to speak in other languages without learning them and could speak in every language there is in all of heaven and earth, but didn'’t love others, I would only be making noise.² If I had the gift of prophecy and knew all about what is going to happen in the future, knew everything about everything, but didn'’t love others, what good would it do? Even if I had the gift of faith so that I could speak to a mountain and make it move, I would still be worth nothing at all without love. ³ If I gave everything I have to poor people, and if I were burned alive for preaching the Gospel but didn'’t love others, it would be of no value whatever.

⁴ Love is very patient and kind, never jealous or envious, never boastful or proud, ⁵ never haughty or selfish or rude. Love does not demand its own way. It is not irritable or touchy. It does not hold grudges and will hardly even notice when others do it wrong. ⁶ It is never glad about injustice, but rejoices whenever truth wins out. ⁷ If you love someone, you will be loyal to him no matter what the cost. You will always believe in him, always expect the best of him, and always stand your ground in defending him.

⁸ All the special gifts and powers from God will someday come to an end, but love goes on forever. Someday prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge—these gifts will disappear. ⁹ Now we know so little, even with our special gifts, and the preaching of those most gifted is still so poor. ¹⁰ But when we have been made perfect and complete, then the need for these inadequate special gifts will come to an end, and they will disappear.

¹¹ It’s like this: when I was a child I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child does. But when I became a man my thoughts grew far beyond those of my childhood, and now I have put away the childish things. ¹² In the same way, we can see and understand only a little about God now, as if we were peering at his reflection in a poor mirror; but someday we are going to see him in his completeness, face-to-face. Now all that I know is hazy and blurred, but then I will see everything clearly, just as clearly as God sees into my heart right now.

¹³ There are three things that remain—faith, hope, and love—and the greatest of these is love.

There is but ONE source of this kind of love and that is The Lord Jesus. It is only those that have given their life to Him that will follow His Holy Spirit and show this kind of love.

The writer may have married the wrong woman, AND apparently she may have married the wrong man.

[The Knight]

Hi Karl,

Thanks for posting this.

Jesus told us that FEW would find the way and the truth but the path to destruction was wide and most would follow it.

While it is true that this man speaks of the way of the world, those that take this way are settling for dung, instead of the love they could have with the way of Jesus.

I have been married more than once, and even I can tell you that there is real joy in giving; and taking from others to satisfy yourself leaves one with a hollow feeling in inside.

The love that a man is to have for a woman is supposed to be an example of how Jesus loves His people.

The love a woman shows a man is supposed to reveal how the church is to love The Lord.

Anyone that examines fully the crucifixion of Christ will not rightly conclude that Jesus shed His blood for His own benefit.

Jesus seen that mankind felt unloved and went to the cross to simply show mankind that He loved them.

I felt unloved a large portion of my life. But The Lord has shown me that He really loves me. I have NOTHING to offer Him. But He has everything to offer me.

Marriage has to be a covenant between three persons, Christ, the man and the woman. If the either the man or the woman leaves Christ out of the relationship then what this man writes about is almost bound to happen.

I am 72 and have had three failed marriages, yet I do NOT feel like the writer feels at all.

The only difference is that I know Jesus and He walks with me and talks with me everyday.

I testify to the truth of the following:

1 Corinthians 13Living Bible (TLB)


13 If I had the gift of being able to speak in other languages without learning them and could speak in every language there is in all of heaven and earth, but didn'’t love others, I would only be making noise.² If I had the gift of prophecy and knew all about what is going to happen in the future, knew everything about everything, but didn'’t love others, what good would it do? Even if I had the gift of faith so that I could speak to a mountain and make it move, I would still be worth nothing at all without love. ³ If I gave everything I have to poor people, and if I were burned alive for preaching the Gospel but didn'’t love others, it would be of no value whatever.

⁴ Love is very patient and kind, never jealous or envious, never boastful or proud, ⁵ never haughty or selfish or rude. Love does not demand its own way. It is not irritable or touchy. It does not hold grudges and will hardly even notice when others do it wrong. ⁶ It is never glad about injustice, but rejoices whenever truth wins out. ⁷ If you love someone, you will be loyal to him no matter what the cost. You will always believe in him, always expect the best of him, and always stand your ground in defending him.

⁸ All the special gifts and powers from God will someday come to an end, but love goes on forever. Someday prophecy and speaking in unknown languages and special knowledge—these gifts will disappear. ⁹ Now we know so little, even with our special gifts, and the preaching of those most gifted is still so poor. ¹⁰ But when we have been made perfect and complete, then the need for these inadequate special gifts will come to an end, and they will disappear.

¹¹ It’s like this: when I was a child I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child does. But when I became a man my thoughts grew far beyond those of my childhood, and now I have put away the childish things. ¹² In the same way, we can see and understand only a little about God now, as if we were peering at his reflection in a poor mirror; but someday we are going to see him in his completeness, face-to-face. Now all that I know is hazy and blurred, but then I will see everything clearly, just as clearly as God sees into my heart right now.

¹³ There are three things that remain—faith, hope, and love—and the greatest of these is love.

There is but ONE source of this kind of love and that is The Lord Jesus. It is only those that have given their life to Him that will follow His Holy Spirit and show this kind of love.

The writer may have married the wrong woman, AND apparently she may have married the wrong man.

This post was a blessing to read. Thanks, Lou.

[Baruch]

Thank you for posting this, Karl. It is thought provoking. And Lou, that was a superb comment.

This person's post (reads like a male, so I will say he) is obviously man's wisdom. It's not hard to see that this wisdom is bankrupt, even though the writer likens it to commerce and many would agree with the metaphor.

Not only does one easily find oneself in this way of thinking, philosophizing, and conduct when one is without Jesus in his life. But also such a way is codified in man's laws which he constructs to enforce morals. (We know the Mosaic law works death in us. How can man's law, which is vastly inferior, be better in any respect?)

Men can ignore God's law and treat others wickedly and get away with it for a time, because God is patient and longsuffering. But men don't have the patience of God, and would seek their own swift justice, which is usually not just but a downward spiral into destruction. God wants man to possess His good judgement and walk in it, and a just government - in the safety of a multitude of counselors - will execute God's judgement, as is ordained.

But we do not have a just government, and that is part of the problem. If the men in government do not have Jesus, then their counsel is ungodly and flawed. Almost anyone in America can sense that their government has taken to itself power beyond the consent of its creators. Government has fallen into the hands of a private for-profit corporation. It's commercialization of everything has, in the example at hand, cheapened the institution of marriage: and the people seem to love it so, even though there is much outcry, as this man's comment suggests.

I'm not blaming only failed government. Any blame is to be shared. We have always had the responsibility and means to correct our way, and our government's way. Fundamentally, I see in this man's words a victim mentality; not surprising, since we are taught to be helpless wards of the state.

This is proven by the fact that government has prohibited many things which are a man's right to enjoy, including marriage, and it issues licenses via a three-way contract. In other words, man's government has inserted itself in between God and the man-woman covenant--and made it a commercial thing, and dispensed with all respect for God. However, this partially vindicates the man who wrote the comment: it proves that marriage has been made mercenary in how heavily it is codified.

Furthermore--and this should make any of God's people perk up--corporations are by legal definition DEAD, so how can a living man and woman thrive under bondage to the dead? (This isn't my definition. It's out of Roman law, and the Vatican's Roman Court ran with it. The Vatican Roman Court has made a global system of commercial law that is a twisted image of God's word.)

So what is true: a) that marriage is mercenary, or b) that men are blind to the truth, and ignorantly accept a lie in place of the truth?

I was blind but now I see. Yahweh, Jesus is the God of the living; His people have no fellowship with the dead. God has given us the institution of marriage; a legal fiction has not given it. Government does not belong in the family's private affairs, in place of God or in addition to Him. Marriage is lawful under God; the legal fiction has made it illegal under its by-laws, and granted license to create abominations.

When I was shown these about man recently and other astonishing things, I became more convinced that for as long we walk this earth God is never done revealing truth to us. It reminds me well of Ezekiel 8. Is it any wonder that the writer of that comment in Karl's post seems buried in dark despair?

[Lou Newton]

Thank you for posting this, Karl. It is thought provoking. And Lou, that was a superb comment.

This person's post (reads like a male, so I will say he) is obviously man's wisdom. It's not hard to see that this wisdom is bankrupt, even though the writer likens it to commerce and many would agree with the metaphor.

Not only does one easily find oneself in this way of thinking, philosophizing, and conduct when one is without Jesus in his life. But also such a way is codified in man's laws which he constructs to enforce morals. (We know the Mosaic law works death in us. How can man's law, which is vastly inferior, be better in any respect?)

Men can ignore God's law and treat others wickedly and get away with it for a time, because God is patient and longsuffering. But men don't have the patience of God, and would seek their own swift justice, which is usually not just but a downward spiral into destruction. God wants man to possess His good judgement and walk in it, and a just government - in the safety of a multitude of counselors - will execute God's judgement, as is ordained.

But we do not have a just government, and that is part of the problem. If the men in government do not have Jesus, then their counsel is ungodly and flawed. Almost anyone in America can sense that their government has taken to itself power beyond the consent of its creators. Government has fallen into the hands of a private for-profit corporation. It's commercialization of everything has, in the example at hand, cheapened the institution of marriage: and the people seem to love it so, even though there is much outcry, as this man's comment suggests.

I'm not blaming only failed government. Any blame is to be shared. We have always had the responsibility and means to correct our way, and our government's way. Fundamentally, I see in this man's words a victim mentality; not surprising, since we are taught to be helpless wards of the state.

This is proven by the fact that government has prohibited many things which are a man's right to enjoy, including marriage, and it issues licenses via a three-way contract. In other words, man's government has inserted itself in between God and the man-woman covenant--and made it a commercial thing, and dispensed with all respect for God. However, this partially vindicates the man who wrote the comment: it proves that marriage has been made mercenary in how heavily it is codified.

Furthermore--and this should make any of God's people perk up--corporations are by legal definition DEAD, so how can a living man and woman thrive under bondage to the dead? (This isn't my definition. It's out of Roman law, and the Vatican's Roman Court ran with it. The Vatican Roman Court has made a global system of commercial law that is a twisted image of God's word.)

So what is true: a) that marriage is mercenary, or b) that men are blind to the truth, and ignorantly accept a lie in place of the truth?

I was blind but now I see. Yahweh, Jesus is the God of the living; His people have no fellowship with the dead. God has given us the institution of marriage; a legal fiction has not given it. Government does not belong in the family's private affairs, in place of God or in addition to Him. Marriage is lawful under God; the legal fiction has made it illegal under its by-laws, and granted license to create abominations.

When I was shown these about man recently and other astonishing things, I became more convinced that for as long we walk this earth God is never done revealing truth to us. It reminds me well of Ezekiel 8. Is it any wonder that the writer of that comment in Karl's post seems buried in dark despair?

Very good comment Barry. Especially the sentence in bold red.

Our government has given permission ( and it has no authority to do so, as Barry says) for women to leave their husband and then make him also pay by taking the children and on top of that making him pay. God gave the authority to the husband and made him the priest and head of household. The government has no right to take this from him.

When a woman becomes offended ( I say when instead of if, because everyone offends sooner of later) the present divorce laws ENCOURAGE her to take revenge instead of giving forgiveness. The government tells her, if you are offended, do not forgive, but we will make him pay. The price, the government then becomes her authority instead of her husband or God.

Divorce laws became even worse with no fault divorce. The woman does not have to prove her husband committed any offence, but only that she desires to leave. This is the total opposite of God's laws.

Our government is one of the main reasons that we have so much divorce. Divorce leads to children raised without both parents, children being left alone at home, and the public education system has become their teacher instead of the father.

This leaves the public education as the priest of the home instead of the father. Just listen to most young peoples beliefs today and you will see that they believe the same as our public education system and not their fathers. I can tell you from personal experience that our education system looks upon fathers as the enemy. This also is true in many so called " Christian" schools.

Instead of working to bring families together, it works to separate them and bring hate and hostility. They want control of the children instead of the parents.

The women ( and men when they will not behave as God intended) have given up their children to strangers who care nothing for them, but are only power hungry). But what can you expect from parents who think it OK to murder their children before birth. This is all prophesied to take place when the people of a nation forget God:

Romans 1
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.
32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.