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  • Comparing Islam to Christianity

    This is from a site that does not promote any religion. They state this about these charts:

    * Once again, this is a pluralistic site. TROP is not trying to
    promote any particular religion. This article is about truth.

    "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who
    disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads
    and strike off every fingertip of them."

    "Allah"(Quran 8:12)

    "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and
    kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

    Muhammad (Ibn Ishaq 992)

    "Love your neighbor and pray for those who persecute you."
    Jesus (Matthew 5:44)

    Even though many Muslims regard terrorists who kill in the name of Allah as criminals, they cannot deny that Muhammad also killed in the name of Allah. What example of Jesus do Christians emulate which has them confused with terrorists and criminals?

    Each year, thousands of Christian homes and churches are torched or bombed by Muslim mobs, and hundreds of Christians, including dozens of priests, pastors, nuns and other church workers are murdered at the hands of Islamic extremists. The so-called justification varies, from charges ofapostasy or evangelism, to purported "blasphemy" or " insulting" Islam. Innocent people have even been hacked to death by devout Muslims over cartoons.

    Yet, there is little if any violent retaliation from religious Christians to the discrimination, kidnapping,rape, torture, mutilation and murder that is routinely reported from nations with Muslim majorities. Neither is there any significant deadly terrorism in the name of Jesus, as there is in the stated cause of Allah each and every day. Muslim clerics in the West do not fear for their safety as do their Christian counterparts.

    The "Christian world" and the Islamic world contrast sharply in other ways as well, from the disparate condition of human rights and civil liberties to economic status. An astonishing 70% of the world's refugees are Muslims - usually seeking to live in Christian-based countries.

    While Western societies take seriously "scandals" such as Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo (where no one has actually been killed), Muslims routinely turn a blind eye to their own horrible atrocities, even those committed explicitly in the name of Allah. The Muslim world has yet to offer a single apology for the hundreds of millions who were consumed by centuries of relentless Jihad and slavery.

    These sharp differences are almost certainly rooted in the underlying religions, which begin with the disparate teachings and examples set by Jesus and Muhammad...
    Comparing Islam and Christianity
    Muhammad... Jesus...
    Stoned women for adultery.
    (Muslim 4206)
    "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
    (John 8:7)
    "I have been commanded to fight
    against people till they testify that there
    is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
    is the messenger of Allah"

    (Muslim 1:33)
    "He who lives by the sword
    will die by the sword."

    (Matthew 26:52)
    Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
    (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
    "Thou shalt not steal."
    (Matthew 19:18)
    Permitted lying.
    (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
    "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
    (Matthew 19:18)
    Owned and traded slaves.
    (Sahih Muslim 3901)
    Neither owned nor traded slaves.
    Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
    (Abu Dawud 4390)
    Beheaded no one.
    Murdered those who insulted him.
    (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
    Preached forgiveness.
    (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
    "If then anyone transgresses
    the prohibition against you,
    Transgress ye likewise against him"
    (Quran 2:194)
    "If someone strikes you on the right
    cheek, turn to him the other also."
    (Matthew 5:39)
    Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
    (Muslim 4645)
    "Blessed are the peacemakers, for
    they will be called Sons of God"
    (Matthew 5:9)
    Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
    (Bukhari 5:268, Quran 33:50)
    Was celibate.
    Slept with a 9-year-old child.
    (Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)
    Did not have sex with children.
    Ordered the murder of women.
    (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
    Never harmed a woman.
    "O you who believe! Fight those of the
    unbelievers who are near to you
    and let them find in you hardness."

    (Quran 9:123)
    "Blessed are the meek, for
    they shall inherit the earth."

    (Matthew 5:5)
    Ordered 65 military campaigns
    and raids in his last 10 years.
    (Ibn Ishaq )
    Ordered no military campaigns, nor
    offered any approval of war or violence.
    Killed captives taken in battle.
    (Ibn Ishaq 451)
    Never took captives.
    Never killed anyone.
    Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
    (Abu Dawood 2150, Quran 4:24)
    Never encouraged rape.
    Never enslaved women.
    Demanded captured slaves and
    a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
    (Quran 8:41)
    "The Son of Man came not
    to be served, but to serve.
    (Matthew 20:28)
    Was never tortured, but tortured others.
    (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
    Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.
    "And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
    (Quran 8:39)
    "Love your enemies and pray
    for those who persecute you
    (Matthew 5:44)
    Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
    (al-Tabari 1440)
    Healed a blind man
    (Mark 8:28)
    Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
    from which he preached Islam.
    (Bukhari 47:743)
    Washed his disciples feet.
    (John 13:5)
    What are the Greatest Commandments?
    "Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
    (Muslim 1:149)
    What are the Greatest Commandments?
    "Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
    (Matthew 22:34-40)
    Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
    (Quran 4:102)
    Chastised anyone attempting
    to defend him with force.
    (John 18:10-12)
    Died fat and wealthy from what was
    taken from others in war or
    demanded from others in tribute.
    Demanded nothing for himself.
    Died without possessions.
    Advocated crucifying others.
    (Quran 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)
    Was crucified himself.
    According to his followers:
    Had others give their lives for him.
    (Sahih Muslim 4413)
    According to his followers:
    Gave his life for others.
    (John 18:11 and elsewhere)
    Last edited by Lou Newton; June 5, 2017, 12:05 PM.

  • #2
    Differences Between
    Early Muslims and Christians


    Lived as warriors. Lived like harmless hippies.
    Slew and persecuted religious minorities.

    (In the early days of Islam you
    could be killed for not being Muslim)
    Were slain and persecuted
    as a religious minority.

    (In the early days of Christianity you
    could be killed for being Christian)
    Emphasis on Jihad (the way of Muhammad)

    "He who fights that Allah's word should
    be superior fights in Allah's cause"

    (Bukhari 53:355)
    Emphasis on Evangelism (the way of Jesus)

    "Go ye into all the world and preach
    the gospel to every creature"

    (Matthew 15:16)
    Attacked and conquered the populations in
    parts of 28 modern countries in just the first
    three decades following Muhammad's death.
    Did not resort to violence of any sort,
    despite tremendous persecution.
    Declared holy war on the people of five
    major world religions in just the first
    100 years following Muhammad's death.
    Went centuries without declaring 'holy war'.
    Plundered and lived off the wealth of others. Gave away their possessions to those in need.
    (Acts 2:44-45)
    Captured and enslaved non-Muslim people. Considered themselves to be slaves of others.
    Waged war to keep members from leaving
    the religion. Put apostates to death.
    No record of aggression toward apostates.
    Muhammad's own family members quickly
    fell into armed warfare against each other.
    Jesus' disciples never resorted to violence
    against one another (or anyone else).
    First 240 Years:
    11 of the first 32 caliphs were
    murdered by fellow Muslims.
    First 240 Years:
    14 of the first 25 popes were martyred by
    pagans (none by fellow Christians).
    Caliphs were polygamous and maintained harems of hundreds of captured sex slaves. Popes were expected to be celibate.
    Islamic mosques sustained by taxes forced from subjugated non-Muslims (the jizya). Christian churches sustained
    by voluntary tithes from Christians.


    • #3
      Differences Between
      Islamic Teaching and Christianity
      The Quran
      The Bible
      External sources (the Hadith and Sira) necessary for translating the Quran Historical context contained
      within the text of the Bible
      Must know Arabic in order to "fully understand" the Quran (according to Muslim apologists) Universal. Can be translated into other languages without excessive commentary.
      Chronological progression of the
      Quran is from peace to violence.
      Chronological progression of the
      Bible is from violence to peace.
      The words 'torture' and 'punishment' appear six times more often in the Quran than in the New Testament. The word 'love' appears five times more often in the New Testament than than in the Quran,
      Contains not a single original moral value. The 'Sermon on the Mount' and others.
      Suffering is an excuse for violent revenge
      and establishment of Islam by force"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
      (Quran 2:191)
      Suffering builds character"We also rejoice in our sufferings,
      because we know that suffering
      produces perseverance; perseverance,
      character; and character, hope"

      (Romans 5:4)
      Emphasis on this World"And Allah has made you heirs to their land
      and their dwellings and their property"

      (Quran 33:27)
      Emphasis on the Next"Mine is not a kingdom of this world"
      (John 18:36, see also Luke 14:33)
      Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and Jews.
      (Quran 9:29)
      Share one's faith with gentleness and respect.
      (1 Peter 3:15)
      Martyrs as Killers

      "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain"
      (Quran 9:111)
      Martyrs as Martyrs

      "As it is written, For thy sake we are
      killed all the day long; we are
      counted as sheep for the slaughter"

      (Romans 8:36)
      Killing Apostates

      "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"
      (Quran 4:89, also Bukhari 52:260, 83:37...)
      Letting God Judge Apostates

      "For we know Him that has said,
      'Vengeance belongs unto me, I will
      recompense,' says the Lord. And again,
      'The Lord shall judge his people'"

      (Hebrews 10:25-30)
      Punishment"Let not compassion move you
      from carrying out God's law..."

      (Quran 24:2)
      Mercy"Love is patient. Love is kind...
      It keeps no record of wrongs"

      (1 Corinthians 13:4-5)
      Charity and Non-BelieversMercy toward fellow Muslims - ruthlessness toward unbelievers. Muslims are warned not to befriend those outside the faith. They must even ensure that their charity tithe (zakat)
      stays within their own identity group.
      (Quran 48:29, 3:28, Sharia)
      Charity and Non-BelieversChristians are specifically told that even
      those who hate them are entitled to
      kindness and charity. They should be loved
      and cared for as surely as any fellow believer.
      (Mark 10:25-37)
      The Qur'an explicitly instructs men to
      beat disobedient wives - as a last resort.
      (Quran 4:34, Sahih Muslim 2127)
      "Husbands, love your wives and
      do not be harsh with them."

      (No permission to beat women)
      (Colossians 3:19)
      Explicitly allows Muslim men to rape their female slaves, even those already married.
      (Quran 4:24, 70:29-30, 23:5-6...)
      Tells masters and slaves to serve
      each other as if serving God.
      (Ephesians 6:7-9)
      Muhammad is the messenger
      of Allah. And those who are with him
      are ruthless to the unbelievers"

      (Quran 48:29)
      "Do good to them that hate you"
      (Luke 6:27)
      Allah wills unbelievers to stray and be lost
      (Quran 16:93)
      God wants all people saved
      (1 Timothy 2:4)
      Warns Against Questioning Faith.
      (Quran 5:101-102)
      Welcomes Intellectual Challenge.
      (1 Peter 3:15)
      Violence as Virtue"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye
      dislike it. But it is possible that ye
      dislike a thing which is good for you, and
      that ye love a thing which is bad for you.
      But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

      (Quran 2:216)
      Violence as Sin"Do not take revenge, my friends, but
      leave room for God's wrath, for it is written:
      'It is mine to avenge; I will repay,' says the Lord. On the contrary: 'If your enemy
      is hungry, feed him... '"

      (Romans 12:19-20)
      Hell for unbelief.
      Good deeds count for naught
      (Quran 18:102-107)
      Hell for bad deeds and the
      failure to do what is right
      (Romans 2:6-8, Matthew 16:27, Matthew 25:41-45)
      Judging"Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them..."
      (Quran 9:73)
      Judge Not"For when you pass judgment on another person, you condemn yourself..."
      (Romans 2:1)
      Taking wealth from others"Allah promiseth you much
      booty that ye will capture..."

      (Quran 48:20)
      Working for and giving wealth to others"The thief must no longer steal but must
      work hard and do what is good with his
      own hands, so that he might have
      something to give to the needy."

      (Ephesians 4:28)
      Calls down Allah's curse on Christians
      and those of other religions.
      (Quran 9:30)
      Calls down God's blessing on
      those who curse Christians.
      (Matthew 5:44)
      Arrogance & Privilege
      "Ye are the best of peoples,
      evolved for mankind"

      (Quran 3:110)
      Humility & Servitude"If anyone wants to be first, he must make himself last of all and servant of all."
      (Mark 9:35)
      "O you who believe! do not take My
      enemy and your enemy for friends:
      Would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth?

      (Quran 60:1)
      "Love your enemies..."
      (Luke 6:27)


      • #4
        Differences Between the Islamic
        and Christian-Based Worlds
        Muslim Legacy
        Christian Legacy
        Countries that Muslims want to escape from. Countries that Muslims want to escape to.
        Madrassahs that indoctrinate Muslim
        children with bigotry and terror.
        Mission schools that teach reading and
        writing to Christians and Muslims alike.
        Suicide bombings for Allah No suicide bombings for Jesus
        International terror organizations. International charities.
        No formal charities for non-Muslims. Leading provider of disaster relief to Muslims.
        Murder of aid workers. Supply of aid workers.
        Christians in jail for apostasy or blasphemy. Religious freedom.
        Modern-day slavery in the name of Islam. Abolition in the name of Christianity.
        Muslim clerics who engage
        in or condone terrorism.
        Christian clerics murdered each year by
        terror groups rife with Muslim clerics.
        Daily religious violence against Hindus. None.
        Daily religious violence against Jews. None.
        Daily religious violence against Buddhists. None.
        Daily religious violence against Muslims. None.
        Ritual slitting of animals' throats Ending of animal sacrifice
        Religion Technology & Medicine
        Censorship Freedom of speech
        Intolerance for criticism of Islam. Tolerance for religious dissent.
        Restricting other religions from preaching faith. Allowing all religions the
        same right to evangelize.
        Conversions allowed to Islam only. Freedom of conscience.
        Converts to Christianity beheaded. No dead converts to Islam.
        Most famous Muslim: Osama bin Laden. Most famous Christian: The Pope.


        • #5
          Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
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          The comparison demonstrates the lack of objectivity in most of the human race - from its leaders to its worshipers.
          Peoples opinions or their doctrines and politics are seldom about truth but ideologies.
          Such an example of blatant blindness ought to be a warning to all who seek the truth.
          Skepticism can be wise behavior.
          Every claim made as being the truth ought to be presented with humility and honest questions while being measured with skepticism.
          If not, then we are bias ideologues - no better than the Moslem.


          • #6
            Originally posted by glen smith View Post

            The comparison demonstrates the lack of objectivity in most of the human race - from its leaders to its worshipers.
            Peoples opinions or their doctrines and politics are seldom about truth but ideologies.
            Such an example of blatant blindness ought to be a warning to all who seek the truth.
            Skepticism can be wise behavior.
            Every claim made as being the truth ought to be presented with humility and honest questions while being measured with skepticism.
            If not, then we are bias ideologues - no better than the Moslem.
            I did not post this for the opinions of the authors, and stated who they were. I posted it for the passages of the books of Islam compared to the passages of The Bible.

            Islam is condemned by their own words.


            • #7
              Wow, this was eye opening. The difference is night and day.


              • #8
                Originally posted by The Knight View Post
                Wow, this was eye opening. The difference is night and day.
                Muhammad personally beheaded over 800 Jewish men and even small boys with his own sword. Some of the men were very old to very young boys. What kind of man would even be capable of doing such a violent thing.

                What was the offense of these Jewish men and boys ? They would not denounce their Jewish faith and accept Muhammad as the one true prophet instead. Muhammad did not even have a book that these Jews could read and see what he taught, for Muhammad could not read or write and he never wrote anything. At this time there were no writings about Islam that existed. Also Muhammad made no prophecies that came true, or had he preformed any miracles to demonstrate that he was sent by God.

                Muhammad just insisted that everyone believe him and those that did became Muslims and those that did not were killed. Of course those that said they believed him had to prove it by killing those that did not.

                When Muhammad was weak and small in numbers he made a 10 year peace treaty with Mecca because they were strong and large in numbers. After 2 years had passed Muhammad became strong and large in numbers and he broke that treaty and went back to Mecca and executed the ones who opposed him.

                Of course Muhammad had claimed Allah had told him to make the treaty ( instead of making jihad on Mecca) and then also claimed Allah told him to execute the men in Mecca 2 years into a 10 year treaty. When questioned by some of his followers why Allah would tell him such a thing, he answered that Allah was the Chief Deceiver.

                That was one of the true things Muhammad said. Of course Satan was Allah and he is the Chief Deceiver and the father of all lies. Of course one has to ponder if it it wise to follow one who admits to being the Chief Deceiver. For if Allah is the Chief Deceiver then of course he is deceiving all that follow him. If Allah is the Chief Deceiver then he must always deceive, or someone could be a bigger deceiver than him. If Allah must always deceive, then he must deceive everyone at all times. Then Allah is deceiving those that follow him.

                Certainly fools rush in where even angels fear to tread.

                We have fools rushing to defend Islam today. They should be wise and read the books of Islam first. When they see that Allah is the Chief Deceiver they should see that the Muslims are deceiving them today. The Muslims are sent into the non Muslim nations and told to act peaceful and deceive the infidels while the Muslims are small in number. But when the Muslims become more in number then they are told to take jihad to that same nation.

                Lou Newton


                • #9
                  Allah – The Greatest Deceiver of them All


                  Sam Shamoun
                  The Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents.

                  For example, the Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:
                  But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

                  Other texts that identify Allah as a makr include:
                  Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99

                  So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50

                  The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as:
                  Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.

                  makara vb. (1)
                  perf. act. 3:54, 3:54, 7:123, 13:42, 14:46, 16:26, 16:45, 27:50, 40:45, 71:22
                  impf. act. 6:123, 6:123, 6:124, 8:30, 8:30, 8:30, 10:21, 12:102, 16:127, 27:70, 35:10
                  n.vb. 7:99, 7:99, 7:123, 10:21, 10:21, 12:31, 13:33, 13:42, 14:46, 14:46, 14:46, 27:50, 27:50, 27:51, 34:33, 35:10, 35:43, 35:43, 71:22
                  pcple. act. 3:54, 8:30

                  LL, V7, p: 256 (Source)

                  He practised DECEIT, GUILE, or CIRCUMVENTION, desiring to do another a foul, an abominable, or an evil action, clandestinely or without his knowing whence it proceeded. (Lane’s Arabic-English Lexicon; source)

                  Lest Muslims accuse these lexicons of bias or distortion notice what Muslim scholar Dr. Mahmoud M. Ayoub says when he asks,
                  "how the word makr (scheming or plotting), which implies deceitfulness or dishonesty, could be attributed to God." (The Quran and Its InterpretersThe House of Imran [State University of New York Press [SUNY], Albany 1992], Volume II, p. 165; italic emphasis ours)

                  After listing several Muslim sources he quotes a renowned Muslim expositor named ar-Razi who wrote that,
                  "scheming (makr) is actually an act of deception aiming at causing evil. It is not possible to attribute deception to God. Thus the word is one of the muttashabihat [multivalent words of the Quran]." (Ibid., p. 166; italic emphasis ours)

                  Unfortunately for ar-Razi, the Quran attributes deception to Allah since it identifies him as the best makr there is.

                  Ayoub also sources one Muslim who actually boasted of Allah being the best conniver/deceiver/schemer etc.,
                  "Qurtubi observes that some scholars have considered the words ‘best of schemers’ to be one of God’s beautiful names. Thus one would pray, ‘O Best of Schemers, scheme for me!’ Qurtubi also reports that the Prophet used to pray, ‘O God, scheme for me, and do not scheme against me!’ (Qurtubi, IV, pp. 98-99; cf. Zamakhshari, I, p. 366)." (Ibid., p. 166)

                  And here, also, is how one of the earliest sources on the life of Muhammad interpreted Q. 8:30:
                  Then he reminds the apostle of His favour towards him when the people plotted against him 'to kill him, or to wound him, or to drive him out; and they plotted and God plotted, and is the best of plotters.' i.e. I DECEIVED them with My firm GUILE so that I delivered you from them. (The Life of Muhammad: A Translation of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, with introduction and notes by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, Tenth impression 1995], p. 323; capital emphasis ours)

                  Thus, the Quran unashamedly calls Muhammad’s god the best liar and deceiver of them all! It even dares to say that ALL deception belongs completely to Allah:
                  And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all deception/scheming is Allah's (falillahi al-makru). He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end. S. 13:42

                  In fact, the Quran states that Allah actually raises wicked individuals to deceive and scheme:
                  Even so have we placed in every city, ringleaders of its wicked ones, to scheme therein (liyamkuroo): but only against themselves shall they scheme (yamkuroona)! and they know it not. S. 6:123 Rodwell

                  And further commands people to do evil so that he can then have a reason to destroy them!
                  And when We would destroy a township We send commandment to its folk who live at ease, AND AFTERWARD they commit abomination therein, and so the Word (of doom) hath effect for it, and we annihilate it with complete annihilation. S. 17:16 Pickthall

                  The Quran uses another word to denote that Allah is a liar, a schemer who has no problems using guile, namely kayd:
                  And those who cry lies to Our signs We will draw them on little by little whence they know not; and I respite them -- assuredly My guile (kaydee) is sure. S. 7:182-183 Arberry

                  and I shall respite them -- assuredly My guile (kaydee) is sure. S. 68:45 Arberry

                  The lexicons provide the following definitions:
                  Kaf-Ya-Dal (Kaf-Alif-Dal) = To be about to, be just on the point of, be well nigh, intend, wish, practise an artful device, desire, contrive/plot/devise such a thing, worked or laboured at or upon anything, to do something clandestinely, to deceive/beguile/circumvent, means of evading/eluding, vomited, emitted fire, had menstrual flux, gave up his spirit.

                  kada vb. (1)
                  perf. act. 12:76
                  impf. act. 12:5, 21:57, 86:15, 86:16
                  impv. 7:195, 11:55, 77:39
                  n.vb. 3:120, 4:76, 7:183, 8:18, 12:5, 12:28, 12:28, 12:33, 12:34, 12:50, 12:52, 20:60, 20:64, 20:69, 21:70, 22:15, 37:98, 40:25, 40:37, 52:42, 52:46, 68:45, 77:39, 86:15, 86:16, 105:2
                  pcple. pass. 52:42

                  LL, V7, p: 166, 167 (Source; underline emphasis ours)

                  The Quran furnishes plenty of examples that exemplify the negative aspect and nature of this term, e.g. those who use kayd are deliberately intending something evil which results in their judgement for employing such wicked schemes:
                  What, have they feet wherewith they walk, or have they hands wherewith they lay hold, or have they eyes wherewith they see, or have they ears wherewith they give ear? Say: 'Call you then to your associates; then try your guile (keedooni) on me, and give me no respite. S. 7:195 Arberry

                  He [Jacob] said, 'O my son [Joseph], relate not thy vision to thy brothers, lest they devise against thee some guile (fa yakeedoo laka kayda). Surely Satan is to man a manifest enemy.S. 12:5 Arberry

                  So when he [Potiphar] saw his [Joseph] shirt torn from behind, he said: Lo! this is of the guile of you (kaydikunna) women. Lo! the guile of you (kaydakunna) is very great. S. 12:28 Pickthall

                  So gather your guile (kaydakum); then come in battle-line. Whoever today gains the upper hand shall surely prosper. S. 20:64 Arberry

                  the day when their guile (kayduhum) shall avail them naught, and they shall not be helped. S. 52:46 Arberry

                  if you have a trick, try you now to trick Me (kaydun fa keedooni)!' S. 77:39 Arberry

                  Allah is even portrayed as stooping down to the level of the deceivers and liars by acting like them in his use of guile:
                  They are devising guile (ya keedoona kaydan), and I am devising guile (Wa akeedu kaydan). S. 86:15-16

                  There is more to the story. The Quran uses yet another word in describing the deception of Allah, that word being khida/khuda/khada:
                  Verily, the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah, but it is He Who deceives them (Inna al-munafiqeena yukhadiaaoona Allaha wahuwa khadiaauhum). And when they stand up for As-Salat (the prayer), they stand with laziness and to be seen of men, and they do not remember Allah but little. S. 4:142 Hilali-Khan

                  Here, once again, is the lexical meaning of this specific word:
                  Kh-Dal-Ayn = To hide/conceal, double or fold, deceive or outwit, pretend, to enter, vary in state/condition, refrain or refuse, relinquish, to be in little demand of, deviate from the right course, resist/unyield/incompliant, turn away and behave proudly.

                  khada'a vb. (1)
                  impf. act. 2:9, 8:62
                  pcple. act. 4:142

                  khada'a vb. (3) impf. act. 2:9, 4:142

                  LL, V2, p: 344, 345, 346, 347 (Source)

                  Lest there be any confusion concerning the fact that this word means that Allah is a deceiver notice how this term is used in the following references:
                  They (think to) deceive Allah (Yukhadiaaoona) and those who believe, while they only deceive (yakhdaaoona) themselves, and perceive (it) not! S. 2:9 Hilali-Khan

                  And if they would deceive thee (yakhdaaooka), then lo! Allah is Sufficient for thee. He it is Who supporteth thee with His help and with the believers, S. 8:6 Pickthall

                  Is there any doubt that the unbelievers were using deception as they tried to deceive Muhammad and his companions? Just as there is no doubt that Allah also uses deception in deceiving them!

                  It gets worse. Satan accused Allah of misleading or deceiving him:
                  He said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray (aghwaytanee), verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path. S. 7:16 Pickthall

                  [Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me (aghwaytanee), I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead (walaoghwiyannahum) them all. S. 15:39 Hilali-Khan

                  What makes this last reference rather interesting is that Satan promises to do to mankind what Allah did to him, namely, pervert/deceive/mislead people from the path!

                  Lest a Muslim say that these are the lies of Satan, that the enemy was merely slandering Allah, here is a text where the Quran acknowledges that the Devil was right since Allah does pervert/deceive/mislead people from the way:
                  And my sincere counsel will not profit you, if I desire to counsel you sincerely, if God desires to pervert you (yughwiyakum); He is your Lord, and unto Him you shall be returned.' S. 11:34 Arberry

                  To say that this is amazing would be a wild understatement.

                  Concluding Remarks

                  Our analysis has shown that Muhammad’s deity is a deceiver who cannot be trusted since he lies without hesitation.

                  A Muslim may contend that Allah only deceives unbelievers who deserve it. The problem with this assertion is that the Muslim scripture teaches that Allah doesn’t merely deceive unbelievers but also his followers.

                  For example, Allah deceived Muhammad into thinking that the fighting men at Badr were fewer in number than they actually were:
                  When Allah showed them to you in your dream as few; and if He had shown them to you as many you would certainly have become weak-hearted and you would have disputed about the matter, but Allah saved (you); surely He is the Knower of what is in the breasts. And when He showed them to you, when you met, as few in your eyes and He made you to appear little in their eyes, in order that Allah might bring about a matter which was to be done, and to Allah are all affairs returned. S. 8:43-44 Shakir

                  Hence, Allah lies and deceives both believers and unbelievers without discrimination. Now contrast this with how the true God Yahweh operates:
                  "Early in the morning, Jerub-Baal (that is, Gideon) and all his men camped at the spring of Harod. The camp of Midian was north of them in the valley near the hill of Moreh. The LORD said to Gideon, ‘You have too many men for me to deliver Midian into their hands. In order that Israel may not boast against me that her own strength has saved her, announce now to the people, "Anyone who trembles with fear may turn back and leave Mount Gilead."’ So twenty-two thousand men left, while ten thousand remained. But the LORD said to Gideon, ‘There are still too many men. Take them down to the water, and I will sift them for you there. If I say, "This one shall go with you," he shall go; but if I say, "This one shall not go with you," he shall not go.’ So Gideon took the men down to the water. There the LORD told him, ‘Separate those who lap the water with their tongues like a dog from those who kneel down to drink.’ Three hundred men lapped with their hands to their mouths. All the rest got down on their knees to drink. The LORD said to Gideon, ‘With the three hundred men that lapped I will save you and give the Midianites into your hands. Let all the other men go, each to his own place.’ So Gideon sent the rest of the Israelites to their tents but kept the three hundred, who took over the provisions and trumpets of the others. Now the camp of Midian lay below him in the valley." Judges 7:1-8 NIV

                  If this weren’t bad enough, one of the greatest lies and deceptions that Allah pulled over the world is the crucifixion of Christ. According to the Quran Jesus wasn’t crucified but Allah made it seem that way, thereby foisting Biblical Christianity on the masses!
                  And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)]: S. 4:157 Hilali-Khan

                  That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God"; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Y. Ali

                  Thus, Allah duped the followers of Christ into believing that Jesus died by crucifixion and further deceived them into thinking that he was then raised back to life on the third day. They then went out preaching this message boldly, with some of them dying as martyrs as a result of it!

                  Interestingly, Allah’s schemes or deceptions are so troublesome that they even scared Muhammad. Islam’s prophet was so afraid of the schemes of his god that he prayed that Allah would not deceive him but deceive on his behalf:
                  3551. Ibn Abbas said: "The Prophet used to supplicate, saying: ‘My Lord, aid me and do not aid against me, and grant me victory and do not grant victory over me, plot (scheme/connive/deceive) for me and do not plot (scheme/connive/deceive) against me, guide me and facilitate guidance for me, grant me victory over those who transgress against me. My Lord, make me ever-grateful to You, ever-remembering of You, ever-fearful of You, ever-obedient to You, ever-humble to You, oft-turning and returning to You. My Lord, accept my repentance, wash my sin, answer my call, make firm my proof, make firm my tongue, guide my heart, and remove the treachery of my chest (Rabbi A‘inni Wa La Tu‘in ‘Alayya, Wansurni Wa La Tansur ‘Alayya, WAMKUR Li Wa La TAMKUR ‘Alayya, Wahdini Wa Yassir Lil-Huda, Wansurni ‘Ala Man Bagha ‘Alayya. Rabbij‘alni Laka Shakkaran, Laka Dhak-karan, Laka Rahhaban, Laka Mitwa‘an, Laka Mukhbitan, Ilaika Awwahan Muniba. Rabbi Taqabbal Tawabati, Waghsil Hawbati, Wa Ajib Da‘wati, Wa Thab-bit Hujjati, Wa Saddid Lisani Wahdi Qalbi, Waslu Sakhimata Sadri).’" (Sahih) …

                  [Abu ‘Eisa said:] This Hadith is Hasan Sahih. (English Translation of Jami‘ At-Tirmidhi, Compiled by Imam Hafiz Abu ‘Eisa Mohammad Ibn ‘Eisa At-Tirmidhi, translated by Abu Khaliyl (USA), ahadith edited and referenced by Hafiz Tahir Zubair ‘Ali Za’i [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, First Edition: November 2007], Volume 6, From Hadith No. 3291 to 3956, Chapter 45. The Book Of Supplications From The Messenger Of Allah, pp. 258-259; capital and underline emphasis ours)

                  Muhammad wasn’t the only person troubled by Allah’s lies since his closest companion was deftly afraid of his lord’s schemes. If one is still in doubt as to the meaning of the term makr consider Abu Bakr’s testimony who, despite being promised paradise by Muhammad, was rather uncertain about his status in the hereafter because of how unreliable and fickle his god is:
                  "Although he had such a faith, which was too great to suffice all the inhabitants of the earth, he was afraid that his heart might go astray. So, he used to utter, while weeping: ‘Would that I have been a bitten tree!’ Whenever he was reminded of his position in Allah’s sight, he would say: ‘By Allah! I would not rest assured and feel safe from the deception of Allah (la amanu limakr Allah), even if I had one foot in paradise.’" (Khalid Muhammad Khalid, Successors of the Messenger, translated by Muhammad Mahdi al-Sharif [Dar al-Kotob al-Ilmiyah, Beirut Lebanon, 2005], Book One: Abu Bakr Has Come, p. 99; bold and italic emphasis ours)(1)

                  Now if both Muhammad and Abu Bakr were afraid of Allah’s schemes shouldn’t Muslims also be fearful of their god’s lies and deception?

                  This very unflattering picture of God is quite embarrassing to say the least. After all, which person would be proud of a god who is described as the best deceiver, a beguiler who schemes and deliberately plots evil in order to accomplish his purposes?

                  Such a depiction of the Deity is unbefitting the majesty and glory of the One who called Himself the Truth and who does not lie or change his mind since it is impossible for him to do so:
                  "God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" Numbers 23:19

                  "He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a man, that he should change his mind." 1 Samuel 15:29

                  "Into your hands I commit my spirit; redeem me, O LORD, the God of truth." Psalm 31:5

                  "Jesus answered, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.’" John 14:6

                  "a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time," Titus 1:2

                  "Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath. God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged." Hebrews 6:17-18

                  The Quran’s description of Allah best fits the one whom the Lord Jesus identified as the father of all lies:
                  "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44

                  In light of the foregoing it seems rather hard to deny that the spirit who spoke to Muhammad, the entity who is revealed in the Muslim scripture, is none other than Satan, the enemy of our souls, masquerading as God in order to deceive people away from the truth of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ:
                  "I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough… For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve." 2 Corinthians 11:2-4, 13-15

                  "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!" Galatians 1:8-9

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                  (1) It needs to be pointed out that the Muslim translator has deliberately distorted the original text of Muhammad Khalid’s book. Instead of translating the Arabic words limakr Allah as "the deception of Allah" he has decided to render it as, "from Allah’s punishment," in order to obscure the real meaning. It seems that the Muslim translator was rather embarrassed by Abu Bakr’s statement that Allah is a deceiver whose promises of granting eternal bliss to the faithful cannot be trusted.

                  If the reader is interested in seeing what the original text really says we suggest that they turn to page 70 of the Arabic version of Muhammad Khalid’s book.

                  Moreover, the author conveniently forgot to mention that the reason why Abu Bakr was afraid that his heart might turn away from the faith is because this close companion of Muhammad knew what the Quran says about Allah misleading and turning people away from the guidance:
                  Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about the hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made to go astray? And he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance). S. 4:88

                  And We sent not a Messenger except with the language of his people, in order that he might make (the Message) clear for them. Then Allah misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. S. 14:4

                  Abu Bakr was therefore fearful of Allah turning his heart away and thereby condemning him to hell since he knew that his god was a deceiver who couldn’t be trusted to do as he says. This is despite the fact that Muhammad had personally guaranteed his salvation!

                  NOTE from Lou: The Koran claims that Jesus was a prophet of Allah. But Allah is filled with guile. But The Bible proclaims many times that Jesus had absolutely no guile. In fact The Bible says that God can not lie. Jesus said He is The Truth.

                  Wise men follow Jesus, fools follow Allah.
                  Last edited by Lou Newton; June 6, 2017, 10:36 AM.


                  • #10
                    Given our already negative view of Islam, to continue to search for the horrific facts may not be profitable. My time is too valuable to spend on vetting a satanic political system disguised as a religion. However, to build a specific case these sites might be informative. Therefore, I thought some might wish to have the addresses since I am providing them to others. For me personally, I don’t need more info. I do not know if these sites provide accurate information. The statistics and info are horrific.

                    I spent the afternoon Tuesday with my brother a missionary. Before returning to the USA he was the go between support for missionaries in 28 Islamic and communist countries. The clandestine operations he organized and managed operated as NPOs. His missionaries sometimes were killed along with their children. We eventually get around to discussing the current information on the ground in these countries. Most of it is successful. However, the first 20 converts of one missionary endeavor were all killed by their Muslim families.

                    The Bill Warner video may be bias about the actual facts but I suspect his hypothesis is probably correct.
                    tab the MORE ENTRIES
                    to find this video
                    Political Islam - A 1400 Year Secret By Dr Bill Warner

                    Under the tab Muhammad
                    Find compared to Jesus
                    This site has comparisons of Muhammad and Jesus - sorta.
                    It is a long list.


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by glen smith View Post
                      Given our already negative view of Islam, to continue to search for the horrific facts may not be profitable. My time is too valuable to spend on vetting a satanic political system disguised as a religion. However, to build a specific case these sites might be informative. Therefore, I thought some might wish to have the addresses since I am providing them to others. For me personally, I don’t need more info. I do not know if these sites provide accurate information. The statistics and info are horrific.

                      I spent the afternoon Tuesday with my brother a missionary. Before returning to the USA he was the go between support for missionaries in 28 Islamic and communist countries. The clandestine operations he organized and managed operated as NPOs. His missionaries sometimes were killed along with their children. We eventually get around to discussing the current information on the ground in these countries. Most of it is successful. However, the first 20 converts of one missionary endeavor were all killed by their Muslim families.

                      The Bill Warner video may be bias about the actual facts but I suspect his hypothesis is probably correct.
                      tab the MORE ENTRIES
                      to find this video
                      Political Islam - A 1400 Year Secret By Dr Bill Warner

                      Under the tab Muhammad
                      Find compared to Jesus
                      This site has comparisons of Muhammad and Jesus - sorta.
                      It is a long list.
                      Thanks for the reply Glen. I have highlighted the horrible truth that I find so many in this nation and Europe need to know. We are being invaded and many want to open the doors to the invaders.

                      I do not hate Muslims, just as I do not hate rattlesnakes. But I do not want rattlesnakes in my home. I do not mean to say that Muslims are rattlesnakes, but only compare the danger of either in ones home. Muslims are humans and I welcome the opportunity to preach the gospel to any of them.

                      When I was 57 I attended YSU to study Calculus, Physics ,and some Engineering subjects. There were many Muslims in most classes. Many would not speak to anyone except other Muslims. In fact they seemed to treat non Muslims like they were poison. Some though were very friendly to me, although I noticed they were not friendly to many non Muslims. It may have been they sensed I did not hate them or reject them in any way. Although if we got into any discussion about Islam they soon found that I did not like Islam, but loved Jesus.

                      We can separate the Muslim from Islam. We are to love the Muslims, but hate Islam. But we must also keep in mind that most Muslims will follow Islam and that brings terrible results to humanity around them.