Is this Obama's plan to stay in office ?

[Lou Newton]

I got this email tonight and so I am sharing it wit all here:

I took my vehicle to the mechanic for service. The Service Manager, Pete, gave me a ride home and on the way he told me his theory about the upcoming election and the next four years of U.S. government. At first I thought it a bit far fetched. But as I listened to him it began to make sense....scary sense.

“I believe that Hillary Clinton will win the election in November,” Pete began. “Then, sometime between November and January, Hillary will be indicted. The IRS is now investigating the Clinton Foundation and the whole e-mail thing isn’t over yet. Once under indictment, she won’t be able to assume the Office of the President in January. Tim Kaine will not be the Vice President because neither he nor Hillary will have been inaugurated and cannot assume the Presidency.”



“The Speaker of the House can’t move up because there is already a sitting President and Vice President. So President Obama can issue an Executive Order citing “ an emergency situation,” giving himself another four years in office.”



Pete believes Obama has been planning this knowing there he is enough on Hillary to indict her.



Had the Attorney General indicted her, based on evidence from the FBI, the plan wouldn’t have worked because the DNC would have quickly come up with another candidate.



Many people on the left, including the President, want Obama to stay another four years. The law prohibits him from being re-elected so the only way he can do it is by declaring martial law and suspending the election (which would be a very negative thing for the country) or to declare himself still President because the elected candidate cannot assume her duties. The latter makes more sense and is more feasible. And since it’s never been done before, it would set a precedent that would be difficult to challenge.



Of course, if Trump wins the election none of this is going to happen.



But what if Pete is correct?



Four more years of Obama and a mostly useless Republican House and Senate would give Obama the time he needs to continue destroying our country to fit his stated goals.

I thanked Pete for the ride home – and for messing up my day. Now I’ve got more things to worry about!

NOTE: we need to all be praying and beseeching The Lord to save our nation from these people who want to destroy it. God has saved nations before on behalf of the prayers of a few.

[Fisherman]

Interesting. I'm no constitutional expert, but I'm thinking that if Hillary won the election in November, yet was indicted before her inauguration in January 2017, that wouldn't necessarily disqualify her from being sworn-in. An indictment is simply a formal criminal charge being brought against someone. I'm surmising that she would have to be deemed disqualified per the 14th Amendment, Section 3.

14th Amendment, Section 3:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

[Lou Newton]

Interesting. I'm no constitutional expert, but I'm thinking that if Hillary won the election in November, yet was indicted before her inauguration in January 2017, that wouldn't necessarily disqualify her from being sworn-in. An indictment is simply a formal criminal charge being brought against someone. I'm surmising that she would have to be deemed disqualified per the 14th Amendment, Section 3.

14th Amendment, Section 3:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Hi Fisherman,

Thanks for the reply. You have inspired me to thought and prayer, thanks again. I agree with you, in that may be the law by the Constitution, BUT we have a POTUS that ignores the Constitution and a Congress that allows him to do so. Obama's own party will allow him to do anything and refuses to enforce the supreme law of the land.

You need a two thirds majority vote to enforce the Constitution and the Democrats will not vote against him or her, and the Republicans do not have a two thirds majority. Further even many Republicans refuse to enforce the Supreme law of the land.

The constitutional crisis that we are now in and have been for some time is caused by people elected to the US Congress that refuse to uphold their oath of office.

Obama ignores the Constitution and instead acts according to what he can get away with.

According to the 14th amendment Obama should have been voted out of office long ago by the US Congress.

It does NOT have to be proven that Obama or Hillary gave AID to our enemies, but only COMFORT. They both have done this many times.

Further the way Islam operates seems to have most of our nation deceived. The Muslims of a nation openly wages war against our nation in their Mosques. They finance and train a group of terrorists to fly aircraft into the World Trade center, BUT the government of Saudi Arabia simply says these terrorists were operating against their authority. But this activity is being carried out OPENLY and terror is being preached OPENLY in their Mosques.

The Muslims are also carrying out the same actions and preaching right in the mosques in our nation. When Trump says that he wants to keep the Muslims out of our nation because of their actions, the media and many people are accusing him of hate speech.

Hillary has a woman as her chief of staff that used to run a magazine that supported Islamic terrorism and reported that 911 was the fault of the US. Hillary has flown around the world from one nation of Islam to another all during the time she was Secretary of State. She was soliciting bribes of many millions of dollars to the Clinton foundation ( I feel sure that much of this was used by them personally). Then she granted the status of "Favored Nation" to nations that were on the "Terror watch list".

BUT instead of being sent to prison for this, she is running for POTUS with much support from the very people she is selling out.

The problem is NOT Obama or Hillary. The real problem is the people of the US have become the most ignorant, and even stupid, civilization that probably has ever existed.

Some will argue that there has been other civilizations that have done even worse. BUT that civilization did not have the knowledge of The Lord.

Even ancient Israel did not have a Bible for almost every person, or at least every home. Every single person in this nation has direct access to The Bible. YET not only our people are ignorant of the truth, but the people who fill our churches are ignorant of The Truth.

They have the Book laying on their coffee table at home, but are too lazy to pick it up and read it for themselves. But instead go to some building and listen to some man or woman tell them lies about The Bible.

We are a nation being led astray by Kings and Queens. Churches are being ruled by Kings and we have a King in the White House and a woman trying to be elected Queen. Why wouldn't a people who not only allow, but desire, to be ruled by a King in their church also desire a King in the White House.

Lou Newton

[Lou Newton]

Here are some passages of scripture that we all should pray about and consider deeply:

Isaiah 1 English Standard Version (ESV)


1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.

The Wickedness of Judah


² Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth;
for the Lord has spoken:

NOTE: why does The Lord address the heavens and earth here ? Because God does not speak to those who refuse to listen. The heavens and the earth always obey God, so He speaks to them instead of men that do not.

“Children have I reared and brought up,
but they have rebelled against me.
³ The ox knows its owner,
and the donkey its master's crib,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.”

⁴ Ah, sinful nation,
a people laden with iniquity,
offspring of evildoers,
children who deal corruptly!
They have forsaken the Lord,
they have despised the Holy One of Israel,
they are utterly estranged.

⁵ Why will you still be struck down?
Why will you continue to rebel?
The whole head is sick,
and the whole heart faint.
⁶ From the sole of the foot even to the head,
there is no soundness in it,
but bruises and sores
and raw wounds;
they are not pressed out or bound up
or softened with oil.

⁷ Your country lies desolate;
your cities are burned with fire;
in your very presence
foreigners devour your land;
it is desolate, as overthrown by foreigners.
⁸ And the daughter of Zion is left
like a booth in a vineyard,
like a lodge in a cucumber field,
like a besieged city.

⁹ If the Lord of hosts
had not left us a few survivors,
we should have been like Sodom,
and become like Gomorrah.

¹⁰ Hear the word of the Lord,
you rulers of Sodom!
Give ear to the teaching of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!

NOTE: has not our nation become like Sodom ? People who speak against homosexuality are persecuted just as they were in Sodom.

¹¹ “What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices?
says the Lord;
I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
and the fat of well-fed beasts;
I do not delight in the blood of bulls,
or of lambs, or of goats.

¹² “When you come to appear before me,
who has required of you
this trampling of my courts?
¹³ Bring no more vain offerings;
incense is an abomination to me.
New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations—
I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.
¹⁴ Your new moons and your appointed feasts
my soul hates;
they have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
¹⁵ When you spread out your hands,
I will hide my eyes from you;
even though you make many prayers,
I will not listen;
your hands are full of blood.
¹⁶ Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean;
remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes;
cease to do evil,
¹⁷ learn to do good;
seek justice,
correct oppression;
bring justice to the fatherless,
plead the widow's cause.

¹⁸“Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord:
though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red like crimson,
they shall become like wool.
¹⁹ If you are willing and obedient,
you shall eat the good of the land;

NOTE: The Lord is not speaking of being obedient to the law, for the law is to reveal to us that we can not follow it. The Lord is speaking of the only work that Jesus told us that we must do. That is to trust Him ( and nothing else) to save us.

²⁰ but if you refuse and rebel,
you shall be eaten by the sword;
for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

Does this scripture not also apply to our nation ?

[Lou Newton]

Isaiah 1 - The Unfaithful City


²¹ How the faithful city
has become a whore,
she who was full of justice!
Righteousness lodged in her,
but now murderers.
²² Your silver has become dross,
your best wine mixed with water.
²³ Your princes are rebels
and companions of thieves.
Everyone loves a bribe
and runs after gifts.
They do not bring justice to the fatherless,
and the widow's cause does not come to them.

²⁴ Therefore the Lord declares,
the Lord of hosts,
the Mighty One of Israel:
“Ah, I will get relief from my enemies
and avenge myself on my foes.
²⁵I will turn my hand against you
and will smelt away your dross as with lye
and remove all your alloy.
²⁶ And I will restore your judges as at the first,
and your counselors as at the beginning.
Afterward you shall be called the city of righteousness,
the faithful city.”

²⁷ Zion shall be redeemed by justice,
and those in her who repent, by righteousness.
²⁸But rebels and sinners shall be broken together,
and those who forsake the Lord shall be consumed.
²⁹ For they shall be ashamed of the oaks
that you desired;
and you shall blush for the gardens
that you have chosen.
³⁰ For you shall be like an oak
whose leaf withers,
and like a garden without water.
³¹ And the strong shall become tinder,
and his work a spark,
and both of them shall burn together,
with none to quench them.

[Lou Newton]

Isaiah 2
The Day of the Lord

⁶ For you have rejected your people,
the house of Jacob,
because they are full of things from the east
and of fortune-tellers like the Philistines,
and they strike hands with the children of foreigners.
⁷ Their land is filled with silver and gold,
and there is no end to their treasures;
their land is filled with horses,
and there is no end to their chariots.
⁸ Their land is filled with idols;
they bow down to the work of their hands,
to what their own fingers have made.
⁹ So man is humbled,
and each one is brought low—
do not forgive them!
¹⁰ Enter into the rock
and hide in the dust
from before the terror of the Lord,
and from the splendor of his majesty.
¹¹ The haughty looks of man shall be brought low,
and the lofty pride of men shall be humbled,
and the Lord alone will be exalted in that day.

¹² For the Lord of hosts has a day
against all that is proud and lofty,
against all that is lifted up—and it shall be brought low;
¹³ against all the cedars of Lebanon,
lofty and lifted up;
and against all the oaks of Bashan;
¹⁴ against all the lofty mountains,
and against all the uplifted hills;
¹⁵ against every high tower,
and against every fortified wall;
¹⁶ against all the ships of Tarshish,
and against all the beautiful craft.
¹⁷ And the haughtiness of man shall be humbled,
and the lofty pride of men shall be brought low,
and the Lord alone will be exalted in that day.
¹⁸ And the idols shall utterly pass away.
¹⁹ And people shall enter the caves of the rocks
and the holes of the ground,
from before the terror of the Lord,
and from the splendor of his majesty,
when he rises to terrify the earth.

²⁰ In that day mankind will cast away
their idols of silver and their idols of gold,
which they made for themselves to worship,
to the moles and to the bats,
²¹ to enter the caverns of the rocks
and the clefts of the cliffs,
from before the terror of the Lord,
and from the splendor of his majesty,
when he rises to terrify the earth.
²²Stop regarding man
in whose nostrils is breath,
for of what account is he?

[Lou Newton]

Isaiah 3 English Standard Version (ESV)

Judgment on Judah and Jerusalem


3 For behold, the Lord God of hosts
is taking away from Jerusalem and from Judah
support and supply,
all support of bread,
and all support of water;
² the mighty man and the soldier,
the judge and the prophet,
the diviner and the elder,
³ the captain of fifty
and the man of rank,
the counselor and the skillful magician
and the expert in charms.
⁴ And I will make boys their princes,
and infants shall rule over them.

NOTE: have not our recent POTUS's been mere boys instead of real men.

⁵ And the people will oppress one another,
every one his fellow
and every one his neighbor;
the youth will be insolent to the elder,
and the despised to the honorable.

⁶ For a man will take hold of his brother
in the house of his father, saying:
“You have a cloak;
you shall be our leader,
and this heap of ruins
shall be under your rule”;
⁷ in that day he will speak out, saying:
“I will not be a healer;
in my house there is neither bread nor cloak;
you shall not make me
leader of the people.”
⁸ For Jerusalem has stumbled,
and Judah has fallen,
because their speech and their deeds are against the Lord,
defying his glorious presence.

⁹ For the look on their faces bears witness against them;
they proclaim their sin like Sodom;
they do not hide it.
Woe to them!
For they have brought evil on themselves.
¹⁰ Tell the righteous that it shall be well with them,
for they shall eat the fruit of their deeds.

NOTE: there is one and only one way to be righteous. That is to confess our total sin to the Lord. The Only way to confess our total sin is to confess that everything we have ever thought, said or done is sin. Then the Lord promises to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

¹¹Woe to the wicked! It shall be ill with him,
for what his hands have dealt out shall be done to him.
¹² My people—infants are their oppressors,
and women rule over them.
O my people, your guides mislead you
and they have swallowed up the course of your paths.

¹³ The Lord has taken his place to contend;
he stands to judge peoples.
¹⁴ The Lord will enter into judgment
with the elders and princes of his people:
“It is you who have devoured the vineyard,
the spoil of the poor is in your houses.
¹⁵ What do you mean by crushing my people,
by grinding the face of the poor?”
declares the Lord God of hosts.

¹⁶ The Lord said:
Because the daughters of Zion are haughty
and walk with outstretched necks,
glancing wantonly with their eyes,
mincing along as they go,
tinkling with their feet,

NOTE: is this not the way our so called stars walk

¹⁷ therefore the Lord will strike with a scab
the heads of the daughters of Zion,
and the Lord will lay bare their secret parts.

¹⁸ In that day the Lord will take away the finery of the anklets, the headbands, and the crescents; ¹⁹ the pendants, the bracelets, and the scarves; ²⁰ the headdresses, the armlets, the sashes, the perfume boxes, and the amulets; ²¹ the signet rings and nose rings; ²² the festal robes, the mantles, the cloaks, and the handbags; ²³ the mirrors, the linen garments, the turbans, and the veils.

²⁴ Instead of perfume there will be rottenness;
and instead of a belt, a rope;
and instead of well-set hair, baldness;
and instead of a rich robe, a skirt of sackcloth;
and branding instead of beauty.
²⁵ Your men shall fall by the sword
and your mighty men in battle.
²⁶ And her gates shall lament and mourn;
empty, she shall sit on the ground.

[Baruch]

The problem is NOT Obama or Hillary. The real problem is the people of the US have become the most ignorant, and even stupid, civilization that probably has ever existed.

Some will argue that there has been other civilizations that have done even worse. BUT that civilization did not have the knowledge of The Lord.

Even ancient Israel did not have a Bible for almost every person, or at least every home. Every single person in this nation has direct access to The Bible. YET not only our people are ignorant of the truth, but the people who fill our churches are ignorant of The Truth.

They have the Book laying on their coffee table at home, but are too lazy to pick it up and read it for themselves. But instead go to some building and listen to some man or woman tell them lies about The Bible.

We are a nation being led astray by Kings and Queens. Churches are being ruled by Kings and we have a King in the White House and a woman trying to be elected Queen. Why wouldn't a people who not only allow, but desire, to be ruled by a King in their church also desire a King in the White House.

Lou Newton

Awesome statement!!

[Lou Newton]

Awesome statement!!

Thanks you, thank you Barry. I am so thankful that The Lord has given some eyes to see and ears to hear.

[Baruch]

In my opinion the problem is that we are deceived by a web of lies so entangled and layered that no man without the grace of God could untangle it.

“[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a National system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer not being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two would figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner; every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.” - Edward Mandell House; in a private meeting with Woodrow Wilson [President 1913-1921] - source unknown.

Even if this quote is fiction or embellished rumor, House's membership in secret society and the Crown BAR is well known, and the unusual power he enjoyed in DC is well known; and this is precisely what was done to us, though it leaves out many essential details about how it was done.

That it wasn't disclosed to us is part of the fraud, and makes everything-- EVERY THING--after the fact lawfully null and void by maxim of law.

All of the following are acts of fraud:
- They float us liens and debt in the form of fiat currency, backed by nothing. This is not lawful money.
- They have unlawfully converted those debts.
- They have entered us into unilateral contracts.
- They practice barratry against us in their courts.
- They misrepresent each of us as a legal person (a corporate fiction) in their courts and financial system.
- Every thing we put our signature to is used as a commercial instrument, and traded on the international stock exchange. Debts are not paid off, the outstanding debts are hypothecated. (This boggles the mind.)

House claimed they'll have plausible deniability. This has been true until very recently. Their schemes are exposed, and an affidavit of truth exists in the international court of record proving it. As House said, not one in a million could figure it out: I think he was grossly underestimating. Many people had bits and pieces, but no one had figured it out. It took a group of independently operating people being given revelations, and being brought together at the right time: in all honesty, in the nick of time before the axe fell. How can it be explained other than a miracle?

We have been handed a unique opportunity to shake off the deception, and we have lawful recourse. But that recourse is without (outside) the corporate system.

Within the corporate system we have a bunch of shysters playing with their corporate by-laws. The so-called "constitution" they took an oath to is a corporate knock-off of the organic Constitution: they change it at will. We have no part in this, unless we're their employee, ward, or chattel.

Hillary and every high level bureaucrat knows how it works. Congressmen and Senators, most of them, I think are like little boys playing on a board of directors that has the power only to assent to what real players plan to do; I don't think most of them are even in on the rules of the game. The currency of capital hill is said to be political favors, but that currency is backed by dirt. Any semblance of balance of power comes from being able to expose others. This is why Hillary won't be indicted, or if she is it will go nowhere. They don't dare touch her, she would take everyone else down with her. They all have skin in the game, and all give their power to perpetuate the system of fraud from which they most benefit and enjoy a significant level of immunity.

Last year a pedophile ring scandal was exposed in DC, with ties to the feds. It went mostly unreported. They threw Dennis Hastert, an aged politician, under the bus in the public eye. It is a ring! This means there are many people involved, most of whom are younger than Hastert and still in positions to continue their secretly sanctioned perversion, graft, predation, etc., etc. This is the level of crime that the like of Hillary presumably have knowledge of. And who knows what she herself participates in. They will not, and cannot police themselves. And they do not answer to the people.

Therefore, we have no remedy within that system. Our only remedy is without it.

We want and need a king: who should it be?

The King of kings? Or maybe a man who claims the King of kings as his head? Or the king of lies and his servants?

[Baruch]

I meant to add an interesting fact. Executive orders are only valid within the corporation USA INC. Truman tried to use an executive order to grab private assets - if I remember right, it was steel mills and manufacturing plants. The owners challenged it and SCOTUS ruled in favor of the owner.

So we have a corporation acting as a king that makes up its own rules. It ignores its supreme charter, its corporate constitution. It ignores the law from which it derives its authority, the organic Constitution. And it gets away with it. It is not lawful, so it must be using legal tricks.

Therefore, we need to exit its legal jurisdiction and then we can use its own fetters against it.

One tool is the legal system, in which it has bound itself. The corporation has signed a contract to abide by the Uniform Commercial Code (Roman commercial law of Vatican). In order to stay legal it is subject to that code, and its own by-laws. If it violates the codes, there are higher courts than SCOTUS. People are beginning to use this. Bless them, it is above my understanding.

Another, and more powerful, tool is the organic law. Even SCOTUS ruled that the corporation has no jurisdiction over the natural man.

So this pledging thing (like our "pledge of allegiance" to "one nation") they consider legally binding, and all the deceitful documents (acts, treaties, adhesion contracts, and codes) have built a case against us upon which our creature (we created the federal government) presumes its authority and right to use force against us, and their deep understanding of how it works and their campaign to keep us in ignorance has been very successful.

This is truly a soulish war. Everywhere we look are the signs of a carnal war. We know these are the shadow of a spiritual war.

[Fisherman]

The problem is NOT Obama or Hillary. The real problem is the people of the US have become the most ignorant, and even stupid, civilization that probably has ever existed.
Some will argue that there has been other civilizations that have done even worse. BUT that civilization did not have the knowledge of The Lord.

Lou - I believe that you hit the nail square on the head with this comment.

[Baruch]

In my opinion the problem is that we are deceived by a web of lies so entangled and layered that no man without the grace of God could untangle it.

It would have been better said that this is the symptom or manifestation of the problem. Lou stated the problem at its root. I blame a headache (which I think is subsiding, thank you Jesus) as my excuse.

[Lou Newton]

Amen Barry. We fight not against flesh and blood:
Ephesians 6:12English Standard Version (ESV)

¹² For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

This is where the real war has to be fought. We do not stand against anyone who opposes evil and need to stand against evil ourselves.

BUT the war only will be won by fighting against Satan with prayer and trusting in the Lord Jesus to save us.

[Lou Newton]

Lou - I believe that you hit the nail square on the head with this comment.

It is sad, but I can not deny that it is true.

You really got a good conversation going with your comment Tom. Thanks and also thanks to all who took part.