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  • #2
    Science?
    Here is a site offering a response.
    https://www.skepticink.com/health/20...s-vs-evidence/

    The issue for all information is credibility and can it be verified. All governments have always attempted to control information. There was a time when the door keepers of information were publishers/editors. Surprising to some, publishing did not just include material that was truthful. The 19th century was swamped with comic book style fiction about notorious people from Jesse James to Davy Crockett to Andrew Jackson and Daniel Boone. Radio opened the door for more opinions to be heard rather than just the selected facts. With the radio a small crack formed in who controlled information. Movies made an enormous change in what people believed. Such was "The Birth of a Nation." Movies have allowed the entertainment industry to determine reality. Early TV actually produced the best journalism the world has ever experienced, but everyone knows what has happened to the field of journalism in all media. The pollution of information has arrived with the internet. Anyone can publish anything. There are no editors or door keepers.

    Who do you trust?
    In the best attempt at honesty we ought to present alternative views if objectivity is desired.
    This should apply to religion, politics, history, society, science, etc.
    Alternatives do not remove bias but helps to recognize them.
    Finding the truth in today's world without door keepers places all the responsibility on the individual.
    The problem with that is that most of us are not equipped to handle such a responsibility so we are shoved by what ever ideas we like.
    Maybe the best some of us can do is to be skeptical.

    By the way, do not use steel plows because the metal contaminates the soil.
    Use only wood plows.
    Such was the popular "information" when steel plows first became available.
    Probably a "truth" sponsored by the carpenters who made wood plows.
    or
    Were they right?

    Last edited by glen smith; February 10th, 2018, 12:47 PM.

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    • #3
      I unplugged my microwave 2-3 years ago, and have been a happier person ever since. Cause and effect. :)

      Gatekeepers are not to be trusted, either. They have their pitfalls to be managed. CDC, FDA, academia, and the whole USA security apparatus: I did not used to have a distrust of these entities, they have shown themselves to be unworthy of trust. Men are greedy, and men in power are freer to exercise and gain from their greed.

      As we write this, 5G is being rolled out across America without adequate planning, testing, and regulation. It is yet another life-changing and potentially health-impacting decision driven by profit.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by glen smith View Post
        Science?
        Here is a site offering a response.
        https://www.skepticink.com/health/20...s-vs-evidence/

        The issue for all information is credibility and can it be verified. All governments have always attempted to control information. There was a time when the door keepers of information were publishers/editors. Surprising to some, publishing did not just include material that was truthful. The 19th century was swamped with comic book style fiction about notorious people from Jesse James to Davy Crockett to Andrew Jackson and Daniel Boone. Radio opened the door for more opinions to be heard rather than just the selected facts. With the radio a small crack formed in who controlled information. Movies made an enormous change in what people believed. Such was "The Birth of a Nation." Movies have allowed the entertainment industry to determine reality. Early TV actually produced the best journalism the world has ever experienced, but everyone knows what has happened to the field of journalism in all media. The pollution of information has arrived with the internet. Anyone can publish anything. There are no editors or door keepers.

        Who do you trust?
        In the best attempt at honesty we ought to present alternative views if objectivity is desired.
        This should apply to religion, politics, history, society, science, etc.
        Alternatives do not remove bias but helps to recognize them.
        Finding the truth in today's world without door keepers places all the responsibility on the individual.
        The problem with that is that most of us are not equipped to handle such a responsibility so we are shoved by what ever ideas we like.
        Maybe the best some of us can do is to be skeptical.

        By the way, do not use steel plows because the metal contaminates the soil.
        Use only wood plows.
        Such was the popular "information" when steel plows first became available.
        Probably a "truth" sponsored by the carpenters who made wood plows.
        or
        Were they right?
        If the molecule is changed by the rapid movement into something that it's not supposed to be, or considered foreign by our bodies, then it's harmful. And no more information is needed to conclude it's bad for us. Maybe in what way, or can we limit/stop the damage. The information we need is, does it really change the molecule into something toxic? I would suspect it's true simply because most of our modern conveniences harm us in some way, or go against the fruits of the spirit.

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        • #5
          I did not have a microwave until long after most others had one for many years. When I had kids in the house, I did not allow the microwave to be used while anyone was in the room. But even though I took all those precautions, I still may have failed my children.

          I have decided to not use my microwave any more.

          Here are some scriptures to consider for this issue:

          1 - Where did civilization come from ? It came from Cain who built the first city while God's servants took care of sheep.

          Genesis 4

          13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear.14Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

          15 But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

          17 Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.

          19 Lamech married two women, one named Adah and the other Zillah.20 Adah gave birth to Jabal; he was the father of those who live in tents and raise livestock. 21 His brother’s name was Jubal; he was the father of all who play stringed instruments and pipes. 22 Zillah also had a son, Tubal-Cain, who forged all kinds of tools out of bronze and iron. Tubal-Cain’s sister was Naamah.

          23 Lamech said to his wives,

          “Adah and Zillah, listen to me;
          wives of Lamech, hear my words.
          I have killed a man for wounding me,
          a young man for injuring me.
          24 If Cain is avenged seven times,
          then Lamech seventy-seven times.”
          We also see violence followed Cain's decedents.

          2 - But we can go back further than this and examine what The Lord told Adam and Eve:

          Genesis 3

          16 To the woman he said,

          “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
          with painful labor you will give birth to children.
          Your desire will be for your husband,
          and he will rule over you.”

          17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

          “Cursed is the ground because of you;
          through painful toil you will eat food from it
          all the days of your life.

          18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
          and you will eat the plants of the field.
          19 By the sweat of your brow
          you will eat your food
          until you return to the ground,

          since from it you were taken;
          for dust you are
          and to dust you will return.”
          Men have tried to escape this prophecy from God ever since God spoke it. The more men try to escape it the bigger curse they put themselves under. Men do not want to work long hours tilling the soil so they invented tractors. But tractors have brought the pollution of the air and water with them.

          I think men may have been better off caring for sheep and living in tents than we are now with our TV's, cell phones, and computers. Have these modern inventions brought us closer together ? Your children used to live close by, but now they live in different states than their parents.

          But far more important, it has not brought mankind closer to God, but seems to have distracted men even more.

          Our forefathers said the people had to know The Bible and follow it for our Republic to work. Back then I think people were closer to God. But today we have large portion of our people that do not even believe in God.


          Last edited by Lou Newton; February 10th, 2018, 05:47 PM.

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          • #6
            Well, there is no hope for me because I do not like providing through painful toil or the sweat of my brow.
            I like the Adam before the curse when he walked daily in the cool of the evening with the Lord and Eden furnished all his needs.
            Like Adam, neither of us deserved divine welfare.

            If following Jesus means living in tents and herding sheep -
            I nearly did that once but failed to come up with the $3K to finance the operation.
            Guess I missed my opportunity to follow Jesus but I have not killed anyone, yet.
            However, my partner in the sheep business endeavor left for the U of Houston. After graduation he became a conduit for money to support the U of H football program. When the scandal broke he was called to testify but before he could testify he was murdered. I guess not herding sheep got him killed since we would have been in Arkansas instead of Houston.

            Mass shootings and road rage must be due to the use of microwaves.
            Last edited by glen smith; February 10th, 2018, 06:26 PM.

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            • #7
              I never suggested that anyone herd sheep and live in a tent. I did say that I thought men were better off back in the days they did so. We can not go back to those days.

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              • #8
                Did I post that you suggested herding sheep and living in a tent?
                I can’t find that.

                What I posted I repeat, “If following Jesus means living in tents and herding sheep.”
                Then I told of a time about 56 years ago if for not being able to raise sufficient cash I would have been a shepherd living in a tent, at least for the first year.

                My statement was wistfully remembering of how close I came to the life of a herdsman - the simpler life. In such a life, following Jesus might have been easier. Hmmm. Just thinking.

                While I cannot go back 56 years, I know where there are shepherds who continue herding sheep and in some places sleep with the sheep.

                Maybe you have been in Ohio too long. There are places in Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Arizona, Utah, Wyoming, and Nevada where there are shepherds.
                In many places where sheep and goats are grazed the shepherd has to protect the herd from predators. Dogs and donkeys help in this task with smaller predators but is some locals the dog and donkey are just more prey. In such places a shepherd is required.

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                • #9
                  Glen, while there may be many places for people to heard sheep, certainly there is not enough land for everyone to live that way.

                  Here is one reason I believe microwaves are very harmful to humans:

                  When Bill Clinton was POTUS there was quite a problem with slaughter houses getting poop in the meat and people getting sick from it. While some of our representatives worked to make slaughter houses more careful to keep the poop out of the meat, Bill Clinton kept supporting eradicating all meat instead. Apparently Bill was willing for us to eat animal poop as long as it was eradicated ( microwaved).

                  Now I believe that Bill Clinton is a very evil person considering his immorality and his other behavior. In fact I think Bill is inspired by demonic spirits. If Bill Clinton supports microwaving all of our meat, then it can not be good. I do not want to eat animal poop no matter what has been done to it. The Holy Scriptures clearly tell us not to even touch poop, let alone eat it.

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                  • #10
                    I don't consider myself a Luddite by any measure. I've seen enough evidence to satisfy myself that bathing food in ionizing radiation is unhealthy. And I've seen enough evidence to satisfy myself that "government" cares much less about my health than it does for making sure its profits keep flowing.

                    I don't condemn anyone for using microwave ovens, or for not making my personal health concerns their concerns (as long as it doesn't result in poisoning public lands, water, and air). I do like to receive and share knowledge designed in honesty to help one another. Use what you can.

                    There's wisdom in the Bible concerning the care of our bodies, and the earth God has given to us. It is lawful to take liberty with some of it, such as eating creatures. Some creatures are more hazardous to eat than others.

                    God blessed man with knowledge and with wisdom. Men used this wisdom to make a molten calf and bow down to it in the desert after so great a rescue from Egypt. God blessed those same people with more knowledge, to enable them to skillfully build things for His worship. It's by this blessing that man came to invent the printing press, and erect an effective stop against the tyranny, blasphemy, and atrocities of the Holy Roman Empire: the Protestant Reformation.

                    Men also used the printing press to mass produce all manner of refuse and lies to mislead their brothers rather than to be a responsible keeper their brother.

                    The psalmists exhort us to sing praises to the Lord with all manner of music instruments, which inventions were attributed to Cain's progeny, that man who hated his brother and murdered him. We're not told whether Cain learned to love his wife and his children as himself, but we may assume so as even evil men do this. Apparently Cain taught his progeny to worship the creature with those same instruments.

                    There are beneficial uses for inventions that use microwaves. There are also harmful uses.

                    In all of these things God is eventually glorified.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Baruch View Post
                      I don't consider myself a Luddite by any measure. I've seen enough evidence to satisfy myself that bathing food in ionizing radiation is unhealthy. And I've seen enough evidence to satisfy myself that "government" cares much less about my health than it does for making sure its profits keep flowing.

                      I don't condemn anyone for using microwave ovens, or for not making my personal health concerns their concerns (as long as it doesn't result in poisoning public lands, water, and air). I do like to receive and share knowledge designed in honesty to help one another. Use what you can.

                      There's wisdom in the Bible concerning the care of our bodies, and the earth God has given to us. It is lawful to take liberty with some of it, such as eating creatures. Some creatures are more hazardous to eat than others.

                      God blessed man with knowledge and with wisdom. Men used this wisdom to make a molten calf and bow down to it in the desert after so great a rescue from Egypt. God blessed those same people with more knowledge, to enable them to skillfully build things for His worship. It's by this blessing that man came to invent the printing press, and erect an effective stop against the tyranny, blasphemy, and atrocities of the Holy Roman Empire: the Protestant Reformation.

                      Men also used the printing press to mass produce all manner of refuse and lies to mislead their brothers rather than to be a responsible keeper their brother.

                      The psalmists exhort us to sing praises to the Lord with all manner of music instruments, which inventions were attributed to Cain's progeny, that man who hated his brother and murdered him. We're not told whether Cain learned to love his wife and his children as himself, but we may assume so as even evil men do this. Apparently Cain taught his progeny to worship the creature with those same instruments.

                      There are beneficial uses for inventions that use microwaves. There are also harmful uses.

                      In all of these things God is eventually glorified.
                      Thanks for this comment Barry.

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                      • #12
                        A comment from TennesseeLinda:

                        Linda Shaffield Cook Disturbing.....I love microwave cooking.....did this cause or at least add to my ampullary cancer?

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