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  • #2
    On valentines day, that is cute.

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    • #3
      Valentine's day is a pagan holiday or day because holiday means holy day, and the holidays celebrated by the masses are pagan rooted.
      But the love story is reminiscent of the walk or dance we do with the Lord all throughout our lives we keep looking at Him and are locked in to Him under His control or gravitational pull. "If I be lifted up I will draw all men to me."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Baruch View Post
        On valentines day, that is cute.

        I thought is was appropriate for the day, thanks for the reply, Barry.

        But one can see that there is a message in the planets of the solar system, if one looks with care.

        1st - the sun is almost all of the matter in the solar system. Over 99% of all the matter in the solar system is in the Sun. Everything in the solar system orbits around the Sun. It is the power of gravity of the Sun that made the solar system form and it is what keeps it together. Also the Sun is our only source of light in the solar system. There would be no life in our solar system without the Sun.

        Man understands the fission process that the Sun uses to make it's light. We understand the math of hydrogen fission and have proven this by our hydrogen bomb. Also God has made the light that comes from every element different. So God has revealed what elements are in the Sun and how much of every element there is in the Sun by reading this light that comes from the Sun. Kinda like coming to know God by reading His Book.

        So God has left man a record of how long the Sun has been burning. It has been burning for about 4.5 billion years. This was not revealed to those who studied casually about the Sun, but to those who looked long and hard at it. Kinda of like those who read His Book with the wrong attitude do not understand even how to be saved, and they do not even know the Author.

        We also can not find even one other star that is like the Sun. Most of the stars are red dwarfs and are made up of hydrogen and make helium by fission. But there are no other elements in those red dwarfs. They are very old stars and have been burning since stars first formed. God has revealed this all to us by the light that comes from those stars. A few men have studied these red dwarfs and determined that there can be no life in any of their solar systems. With computer models of their mass and gravity, it was determined that any planets in the Goldilocks zone ( the distance from the star that water could be liquid) of those red dwarfs would be tidally locked like Pluto and Charon. That means that the planet would rotate at the same period it would orbit. Or the same side of the planet would face the star at all times. That means that one side would be really hot and the other side would be really cold. Red dwarfs make up maybe as much as 90% of the stars. There can be no intelligent life on any of these systems.

        God has also revealed to a few men that have studied His creation with great care that life can not take place on any stars system with a very large star. The radiation coming from that star would make life impossible. Also those stars have very short lives and too short for life to form.

        It is only stars like the Sun that can support life. It is a yellow dwarf and it has many heavy elements. Men have been trying to find another star like our Sun, but they can NOT find even one like it. NOT EVEN ONE. We have instruments that can look very far into space and have been looking for many years and not even one like the Sun can be found.

        Psalm 19
        For the director of music. A psalm of David.

        1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
        2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge.
        3They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them.
        4Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
        5 It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
        6 It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is deprived of its warmth.
        7The law of the LORD is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple.
        8 The precepts of the LORD are right, giving joy to the heart. The commands of the LORD are radiant, giving light to the eyes.
        9The fear of the LORD is pure, enduring forever. The decrees of the LORD are firm, and all of them are righteous.
        10 They are more precious than gold, than much pure gold; they are sweeter than honey, than honey from the honeycomb.
        11 By them your servant is warned; in keeping them there is great reward.
        12 But who can discern their own errors? Forgive my hidden faults.
        13 Keep your servant also from willful sins; may they not rule over me. Then I will be blameless, innocent of great transgression.
        14 May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.


        Jesus is our BRIDEGROOM and Jesus is or CHAMPION. And NOTHING that has life is deprived of His warmth.

        God has made it clear that the Sun is a shadow of The Lord.

        NOTICE THAT GOD DID NOT MAKE THREE SUNS THAT TOGETHER MAKE UP OUR SOURCE, BUT THERE IS ONE SUN THAT IS THE SOURCE OF ALL LIGHT IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM.

        This is strong evidence that the Creator of the universe and the Author of The Bible are one in the same. For in His Book God says this:

        Deut 6
        3 Hear, Israel, and be careful to obey so that it may go well with you and that you may increase greatly in a land flowing with milk and honey, just as the LORD, the God of your ancestors, promised you.
        4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.


        Mark 12
        28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
        29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
        30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’

        Truly the whole Bible and the whole of creation has but ONE Creator and the same ONE Author:
        1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
        2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge.

        Even mere men know that there can only be life on a star system that has but ONE Star. If a system has more than one star ( and most star systems do have more than one) then the planets would have irregular orbits around the stars and the gravity, light and heat would not be stable enough for life to form. The planet would be very hot sometimes and very cold at other times.

        Single star systems are very rare. We used to think that there were many single star systems. But as we built stronger telescopes we seen that these star systems that we thought had single star had two or even four.


        The reason we could not see the other star, was the fact that the other star was a white dwarf. A white dwarf is a star that has the mass of our Sun, but is the size of our earth. It is a dead star that is very dense and so it is very small and hard for us to see from the earth. BUT the force of gravity is very strong from these white dwarfs because they are very massive and very small. These white dwarfs often pull the matter off of the nearby star and pull it onto the surface of the white dwarf. This fairly light hydrogen piles up on the very dense white dwarf and causes a super nova at regular intervals. These are the smaller kind of supernovas, and not as large as the supernovas that come from exploding massive stars.

        Men are looking with desperation for another star system that has life. That is because they worship the creation, and think the creation is our source of life. But The CREATOR is our source of life. If the creation is our source than there should be many other star systems that have life. But if there are millions of other systems with life as these men think, then certainly some would be much more advanced than us. Where are the space travelers from those systems. Men have been seeking messages from them for many years now, and not even one has been detected.


        There is no life without the Sun. That is the way God created this universe to reveal that there is no life without the one true God.

        Lou Newton

        Last edited by Lou Newton; February 15, 2016, 10:32 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post


          I thought is was appropriate for the day, thanks for the reply, Barry.

          But one can see that there is a message in the planets of the solar system, if one looks with care.

          1st - the sun is almost all of the matter in the solar system. Over 99% of all the matter in the solar system is in the Sun. Everything in the solar system orbits around the Sun. It is the power of gravity of the Sun that made the solar system form and it is what keeps it together. Also the Sun is our only source of light in the solar system. There would be no life in our solar system without the Sun.

          Man understands the fission process that the Sun uses to make it's light. We understand the math of hydrogen fission and have proven this by our hydrogen bomb. Also God has made the light that comes from every element different. So God has revealed what elements are in the Sun and how much of every element there is in the Sun by reading this light that comes from the Sun. Kinda like coming to know God by reading His Book.

          So God has left man a record of how long the Sun has been burning. It has been burning for about 4.5 billion years. This was not revealed to those who studied casually about the Sun, but to those who looked long and hard at it. Kinda of like those who read His Book with the wrong attitude do not understand even how to be saved, and they do not even know the Author.

          We also can not find even one other star that is like the Sun. Most of the stars are red dwarfs and are made up of hydrogen and make helium by fission. But there are no other elements in those red dwarfs. They are very old stars and have been burning since stars first formed. God has revealed this all to us by the light that comes from those stars. A few men have studied these red dwarfs and determined that there can be no life in any of their solar systems. With computer models of their mass and gravity, it was determined that any planets in the Goldilocks zone ( the distance from the star that water could be liquid) of those red dwarfs would be tidally locked like Pluto and Charon. That means that the planet would rotate at the same period it would orbit. Or the same side of the planet would face the star at all times. That means that one side would be really hot and the other side would be really cold. Red dwarfs make up maybe as much as 90% of the stars. There can be no intelligent life on any of these systems.

          God has also revealed to a few men that have studied His creation with great care that life can not take place on any stars system with a very large star. The radiation coming from that star would make life impossible. Also those stars have very short lives and too short for life to form.

          It is only stars like the Sun that can support life. It is a yellow dwarf and it has many heavy elements. Men have been trying to find another star like our Sun, but they can NOT find even one like it. NOT EVEN ONE. We have instruments that can look very far into space and have been looking for many years and not even one like the Sun can be found.

          Psalm 19
          For the director of music. A psalm of David.

          1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
          2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge.
          3They have no speech, they use no words; no sound is heard from them.
          4Yet their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.
          5 It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, like a champion rejoicing to run his course.
          6 It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is deprived of its warmth.
          7The law of the LORD is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple.
          8 The precepts of the LORD are right, giving joy to the heart. The commands of the LORD are radiant, giving light to the eyes.
          9The fear of the LORD is pure, enduring forever. The decrees of the LORD are firm, and all of them are righteous.
          10 They are more precious than gold, than much pure gold; they are sweeter than honey, than honey from the honeycomb.
          11 By them your servant is warned; in keeping them there is great reward.
          12 But who can discern their own errors? Forgive my hidden faults.
          13 Keep your servant also from willful sins; may they not rule over me. Then I will be blameless, innocent of great transgression.
          14 May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.


          Jesus is our BRIDEGROOM and Jesus is or CHAMPION. And NOTHING that has life is deprived of His warmth.

          God has made it clear that the Sun is a shadow of The Lord.

          NOTICE THAT GOD DID NOT MAKE THREE SUNS THAT TOGETHER MAKE UP OUR SOURCE, BUT THERE IS ONE SUN THAT IS THE SOURCE OF ALL LIGHT IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM.

          This is strong evidence that the Creator of the universe and the Author of The Bible are one in the same. For in His Book God says this:

          Deut 6
          3 Hear, Israel, and be careful to obey so that it may go well with you and that you may increase greatly in a land flowing with milk and honey, just as the LORD, the God of your ancestors, promised you.
          4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.


          Mark 12
          28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
          29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
          30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’

          Truly the whole Bible and the whole of creation has but ONE Creator and the same ONE Author:
          1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
          2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge.

          Even mere men know that there can only be life on a star system that has but ONE Star. If a system has more than one star ( and most star systems do have more than one) then the planets would have irregular orbits around the stars and the gravity, light and heat would not be stable enough for life to form. The planet would be very hot sometimes and very cold at other times.

          Single star systems are very rare. We used to think that there were many single star systems. But as we built stronger telescopes we seen that these star systems that we thought had single star had two or even four.


          The reason we could not see the other star, was the fact that the other star was a white dwarf. A white dwarf is a star that has the mass of our Sun, but is the size of our earth. It is a dead star that is very dense and so it is very small and hard for us to see from the earth. BUT the force of gravity is very strong from these white dwarfs because they are very massive and very small. These white dwarfs often pull the matter off of the nearby star and pull it onto the surface of the white dwarf. This fairly light hydrogen piles up on the very dense white dwarf and causes a super nova at regular intervals. These are the smaller kind of supernovas, and not as large as the supernovas that come from exploding massive stars.

          Men are looking with desperation for another star system that has life. That is because they worship the creation, and think the creation is our source of life. But The CREATOR is our source of life. If the creation is our source than there should be many other star systems that have life. But if there are millions of other systems with life as these men think, then certainly some would be much more advanced than us. Where are the space travelers from those systems. Men have been seeking messages from them for many years now, and not even one has been detected.


          There is no life without the Sun. That is the way God created this universe to reveal that there is no life without the one true God.

          Lou Newton

          Thanks for the very well put explanation Lou. I wish I could be as articulate as David and some other men. Blessings ..... Steve

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Steve Hollander View Post


            Thanks for the very well put explanation Lou. I wish I could be as articulate as David and some other men. Blessings ..... Steve

            Thanks for the reply Steve.

            We need to consider that God revealed Himself through His creation far before His holy Scriptures.

            Adam, Enoch, Noah, Job, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph all did not have any scriptures to read.

            But all men had the creation to seek the truth.

            Romans 1
            18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
            19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
            20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

            All men had the Sun in the sky to reveal the truth about God to them. In fact even heathens like the Egyptians thought the sun was a god. They could see that there was no life without the sun and that the sun brought forth all natural life. They misunderstood and worshiped the creation instead of the Creator of the Sun. One man in Egypt was wise enough to see that there was one Sun and therefore there was one God. But he still made the mistake of making the Sun itself that one god.

            But we should all see that God created but one Sun to reveal that there is but one God.

            The biggest error that most men make is deciding themselves what is true about God.


            All men need to humble themselves before God and bother to ask Him to reveal the truth to them. But then they still need to wait for His answer instead of deciding for themselves.

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            • #7
              That romp through creation was an edifying revelation. Thank you, Lou. Praise the Lord Jesus for revealing Himself to us!

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              • #8
                This is really interesting Lou, please continue if you would with this. Thanks ..... Steve

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                • #9
                  Thanks for the replies Barry and Steve.

                  I do not know of a more clear revelation that there is but one God and He is One person than our own Sun.

                  Let's reason together about this.

                  Who is The Creator? That is The Father. That is why He is called The Father, for He is The Father of the Universe. Of course we know that the scriptures tell us that Jesus created everything that exists and nothing exists that He did not create. So that alone means Jesus is The Father.

                  But we have scripture that tell us this in case we are confused:
                  Isaiah 9:61599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

                  6 For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.

                  How can anyone who believes the scriptures say that the child born as Jesus, was not The Everlasting Father.

                  Why has Satan worked so hard to deceive so many about this? Why is it important to know that God is ONE and not three.

                  Yes, there is The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit, but He is not three, but ONE.

                  If God, The Father was not born of a woman to become a man to die for us, then we are still dead in our sins.

                  No one else could pay for our sins, but the HEAD HONCHO, The Supreme One. If Jesus is one iota less than The Father, then He could not pay for our sins. Only God could pay for our sins.

                  Satan tells many lies to those who decide to become Christians. He tells them that Jesus, The Son, is full of mercy and loves them, BUT The God head, or The Father, is more stern and does not forgive them.

                  Another lie of Satan is that he says God is a coward and would not die for us Himself, but sent someone else to die for us. Satan implies that Jesus is another person and not The Father. So The Father was not willing to die for us, but only Jesus was willing to die for us.

                  Of course Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of GOD. That means that as to His manhood, He was born of a woman. But as to His Godhood, He was the One and Only God, The Father. The Father became a man and shed His blood for us.


                  THIS PROVES THAT THE GODHEAD LOVES US AND IS WILLING TO FORGIVE US FOR ALL OF OUR SINS

                  Isaiah 43

                  10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.

                  11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

                  It is of prime importance that a person know that God is WILLING to forgive and save them, AND that He is ABLE to save them.

                  If one person loved us enough to die for us, but was unable to raise Himself from the dead; then we do not know that Jesus is able to save us, for He was not able to save Himself.

                  If the Father raised Jesus from the dead, but was anther person, then we know The Father is ABLE to save, but we do not know if He is willing to save us; for it would not be Him that died for us.

                  THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY THAT GOD COULD PROVE THAT HE IS WILLING AND ABLE TO SAVE US.

                  THAT IS THE FATHER HAD TO BECOME A MAN AND DIE ON THE CROSS FOR US AND THEN RAISE HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD


                  That is why Jesus told us this:

                  John 2 18 The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?”
                  19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”
                  20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?”
                  21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body.
                  22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

                  This is not the only place Jesus reveals that He is able to raise Himself from the dead:

                  John 10 17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again.
                  18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

                  Now as to His Manhood, Jesus was born a little lower than the angels. This made Him able to die on the cross.

                  BUT as to his Godhood, Jesus was the One and Only God, who was able to raise His human body from the dead.

                  The same person who proved that He loved you by shedding His blood of the cross for you, also proved that he is ABLE to save you by raising Himself from the dead.

                  Jesus proved that He is WILLING to save you by dying for you.

                  Jesus proved that He is ABLE to save you by raising Himself from the dead.

                  Lou Newton



                  Last edited by Lou Newton; February 16, 2016, 12:28 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks Lou for the reaffirmation and the very proven case for the oneness of God.

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                    • #11
                      It's very obvious that there is one God and not 3, but it seems to be very important to Satan that nobody recognize this fact and he spends a lot of effort to maintain this effect at all costs.

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                      • #12
                        Great article lou! That's tremendously encouraging to me. It's proof positive that God reveals himself to mankind without the bible so that no one will have an excuse on the day of judgement. Steve had a marvelous comment when he said that the devil works incredibly hard on keeping the trinity alive. It shows us again that it must be extremely important to know in the heart and in the head that Jesus is God and rose himself from the dead.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Steve Hollander View Post
                          It's very obvious that there is one God and not 3, but it seems to be very important to Satan that nobody recognize this fact and he spends a lot of effort to maintain this effect at all costs.

                          Thanks for the very good replies Steve and Tom.

                          Let us now look at how God formed the Sun and how it gives off light:

                          First, all stars are carrying off a balancing act that makes any tightrope walk look infantile. Gravity gathers the hydrogen gas together and then gravity makes it denser and denser. When gravity finally crushes the hydrogen molecules so hard that the electrons are separated from the protons it is called plasma. After a long time this gravity finally crushes the plasma so hard that it starts the hydrogen to fuse ( explode). That is it's LET THERE BE LIGHT MOMENT. This would cause the star to explode and cease to exist, BUT the gravity BALANCES this outward explosion by an inward force of gravity.

                          If the force of the explosion was any greater the star would explode. If the outward force was less the star would implode. If the force of gravity was even an iota more the star would implode and form a black hole. If the force of gravity was an iota less it would explode. These two forces have to be PERFECTLY balanced for the star to burn. This is like balancing trillions of ball point pens on their points perfectly for billions of years.

                          See if you can balance a ball point pen on it's point on a hard surface. Now add trillions more without any falling over. (I can not tell you where to find that many pens) No mere man understands how the stars do this. But it is a self correcting process. If the force of gravity gets less, it causes the hydrogen fusion to slow down and so the outward force is then less. If the hydrogen fusion gets faster and causes the outward force to increase, it makes the star a little bigger and the force of gravity gets less and that slows down the hydrogen fusion.

                          Don't forget there are billions of stars doing this balancing act at the same time in our galaxy. But there are billions of galaxies.

                          Very massive stars burn very hot and fast because their gravity is stronger than stars of little mass. Also these very massive stars will fuse hydrogen into helium and then helium into heavier elements. The star has many shells of different elements in it after it has burned for some time. A core of iron ends up at the center. The star can not fuse iron into anything heaver because iron fusion takes energy instead of making energy.

                          When the star starts to run out of fuel to burn the outward force gets less. When this takes place it causes the force of gravity to crush the star far more. This finally overcomes the forces that keep the protons and electrons apart. When this happens the core stars to COLLAPSE at a great velocity. When these "particles" reach a point where they come together they BOUNCE off of one another and are rebounded toward the outside of the star. Kind of like bouncing a steel ball off of solid steel floor, but at a very high velocity.

                          When the core started to collapse, the matter outside the core also was sent on an inward journey at a great velocity. When this matter meets the outward rebounding iron core they meet in a giant collision. This causes a SUPERNOVA explosion to take place. The matter of that star is thrown outward at a great velocity into space.

                          EDIT: this core collapse reaches about 1/4 the speed of light !

                          Only very massive stars do this. These massive stars are not real numerous. But when two of these massive stars are in the same nieghborhood and then also supernova close to the same time, the clouds of matter from these two stars can meets and form another 2nd generation star. It may take more than two of these stars to supernova to form a cloud big enough to form another massive star large enough for it to supernova and start the whole process over again to form a 3rd generation star like our Sun.

                          So 3rd generation yellow dwarfs, like our Sun are very rare. But we can not find even one that has as many heavy elements in it like our Sun.

                          OUR SUN IS VERY RARE INDEED. MAYBE THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE LIKE IT.

                          Our solar system is only like a pin hole of light in this galaxy. BUT our solar system is a very rare place. We can not find one like it.

                          Lou Newton
                          Last edited by Lou Newton; February 17, 2016, 12:22 PM.

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                          • #14
                            I should have mentioned again that stars can not produce heavier elements than iron. The Only way the elements heavier than iron are produced is in a supernova.

                            God has left us a history of mankind in the Holy Scriptures. But God has also left us a history of the creation. When we look at galaxies far away the light that we see left that galaxy long ago. We can tell how far away galaxies are by the light that comes from them. The further away they are from us, the longer it took the light to get to the earth.

                            If the galaxy is 13 billion light years from us, it took the light 13 billion years to get here. So we know that galaxy existed at least 13 billion years ago. God is NOT trying to deceive us. God reveals truth. It is Satan that hides the truth and deceives with lies.

                            When we look at galaxies that are the oldest that we can see, the light tells us that there was only hydrogen and some helium back then. God made the light from every element different. So we can tell light that came from hydrogen or helium.

                            That tells us that there was only hydrogen and helium in the early universe. The newer the galaxies, the more heavy elements that are in them. Heavy elements are only produced in supernovas.

                            So for the Sun to have so many heavy elements, means it is a third generation star. It was not formed yet in the beginning, but was formed billions of years later.

                            Why is the Sun a THIRD generation star ? Why is the Earth the 3rd star from the Sun. Why does only the Sun and the Earth have life on them ?

                            This is to reveal that no one can have real life, or eternal life without 1 - asking their Father and Creator to save them. Then they must 2- trust in the cross of Christ for forgiveness ( or trust God to save them and nothing else). Then they must also be 3- filled with His Holy Spirit.

                            No one will be saved without all three of these things. There is only eternal life in the Father, the Son, and The Holy Spirit. No one can skip any one of these things to be saved. Now that does not mean they have to be aware that they are filled with his Holy Spirit, but they must be filled.

                            Now someone may then say that see, God is three. No, God is One. There is The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit, but He is NOT three, but ONE.

                            The Holy Scriptures Name the Holy Spirit of God The Father all throughout the Bible. But the Bible also Names the Holy Spirit of Christ.
                            Romans 8:9
                            You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

                            There are many more that name the Spirit of Christ. But this one names the Spirit of God and then calls Him the Spirit of Christ in the same passage.


                            Now certainly we know that there are NOT TWO Holy Spirits. So if the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are the same person, then God and Christ have to be the same person.

                            If this is new to you, or this is different than what you have been taught, then please read these posts more than once with great care. Then ask The Lord to reveal the truth to you. Then wait for His answer.

                            The only times a number is mentioned about the person of God, is ONE and SEVEN.

                            Jesus tells us that God is ONE.

                            The Revelation mentions the SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD. Now certainly no one thinks that God is a Septinity, or that God is seven persons.

                            The only exception to this is in about 8 manuscripts out of about 10,000 that says God is three. BUT that verse is NOT in even one ancient copy of the Scriptures. NOT ONE. It did not appear until the 1600's. But we have many copies that date back to a short time after Christ. That verse in not in one of those copies.

                            Also William Tyndale translated 1 John in the 1500's and that verse was NOT in that manuscript when he translated from it. I think that it is obvious that some overzealous person added that verse to that manuscript.

                            None of the early church fathers mention the Trinity. It was started by the Pope. He wanted a Christian family to replace the family of gods that the Romans worshiped. For the same reason the Pope also claimed Mary was the Mother of God. He wanted a father, mother and son to give the people who already worshiped a family of false gods.

                            But God is Mary's Father. Also the scriptures tells that Melchizedek had no father or mother and Melchizedek is a Name of God that means King of Righteousness. Mary is the mother of the human body of Jesus. But The Godhood of Jesus has no beginning and no end. Does not Jesus tells us that He is The First and The Last. There is no one that was before Jesus. He is The First and there can be only one first. A mother is before her son. So Mary can not be the mother of God who has no beginning and has always existed. But Mary is listed as having an earthly father and did not exist until a short time ago.

                            If someone wants to say that God appears in three different ways, that is correct. But He is ONE person, not three different persons. Each person has a different personality. No two persons are the same. That is the very meaning of the word person ( has to do with personality). But The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all have the same personality. He is the same one person as Jesus told us that God is ONE.

                            As to His Manhood, Jesus is less than God and even a little lower than the angels, for He is a man.

                            But as to His Godhood, Jesus is the One and Only God Almighty. There is No One above Him or before Him.

                            If anyone claims Jesus is one iota less than God Almighty, then they are claiming that Jesus is not God Almighty at all.

                            Lou Newton
                            Last edited by Lou Newton; February 17, 2016, 10:33 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Very deep Lou and once again a great reaffirmation of the absolute truth. Thanks. .... Steve

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