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    Preamble:

    I found this to be a resonating commentary on our culture and its loss of modesty, as well as an eloquent, and even scientific, defense of modesty. So I thought to start a discussion on modesty. It is most certainly relevant to us as children of the most high God.

    A quote from Ms. Jessica Rey from Q Ideas: "Within the construct of modesty, there is a freedom–modesty isn’t about covering up what’s bad but about revealing dignity."

    I have two conflicting thoughts on this. I have to say I like the retreating step in the direction of modesty and self-control. Yet I'm poignantly suspicious that this would be for most adopters just a garment of fig leafs.

    From the video's description:

    Designer and actress Jessica Rey asks, "Who says it has to be itsy bitsy?" Rey argues that within the construct of modesty, there is a freedom—that modesty isn't about covering up what's bad, but about revealing dignity.

    This video originally appeared on QIdeas.org.

    Jessica Rey - The Evolution of the Swimsuit
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJVHRJbgLz8

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    Originally posted by Baruch View Post
    Preamble:

    I found this to be a resonating commentary on our culture and its loss of modesty, as well as an eloquent, and even scientific, defense of modesty. So I thought to start a discussion on modesty. It is most certainly relevant to us as children of the most high God.

    A quote from Ms. Jessica Rey from Q Ideas: "Within the construct of modesty, there is a freedom–modesty isn’t about covering up what’s bad but about revealing dignity."

    I have two conflicting thoughts on this. I have to say I like the retreating step in the direction of modesty and self-control. Yet I'm poignantly suspicious that this would be for most adopters just a garment of fig leafs.

    From the video's description:

    Designer and actress Jessica Rey asks, "Who says it has to be itsy bitsy?" Rey argues that within the construct of modesty, there is a freedom—that modesty isn't about covering up what's bad, but about revealing dignity.

    This video originally appeared on QIdeas.org.

    Jessica Rey - The Evolution of the Swimsuit
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJVHRJbgLz8
    WOW, all I can say is that her whole speech was full of wisdom.

    "Within the construct of modesty, there is a freedom–modesty isn’t about covering up what’s bad but about revealing dignity."
    When women dress the same as strippers and street walkers they reveal their character.

    When a woman dresses with modesty she reveals her dignity.

    The first woman is viewed as an object by men.

    The second is viewed as a person of interest by men that count.

    Has the bikini brought more stability to marriage. Has our society got better or worse by women wearing it.

    If a woman attracts a mate by revealing her body to him instead of her character. How does she expect to keep him after her body ages.

    The flesh corrupts with age.

    Character improves with age if the person seeks truth and wisdom.

    Lou Newton

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
      If a woman attracts a mate by revealing her body to him instead of her character. How does she expect to keep him after her body ages.

      The flesh corrupts with age.

      Character improves with age if the person seeks truth and wisdom.

      Lou Newton
      AMEN Lou how true. We are celebrating 35 years of marriage this year and 40 years together. ..... Steve

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Steve Hollander View Post
        AMEN Lou how true. We are celebrating 35 years of marriage this year and 40 years together. ..... Steve
        I am thankful for your relationship with your wife Steve. I am also happy for you both. Congrats.

        Lou

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
          WOW, all I can say is that her whole speech was full of wisdom.



          When women dress the same as strippers and street walkers they reveal their character.

          When a woman dresses with modesty she reveals her dignity.

          The first woman is viewed as an object by men.

          The second is viewed as a person of interest by men that count.

          Has the bikini brought more stability to marriage. Has our society got better or worse by women wearing it.

          If a woman attracts a mate by revealing her body to him instead of her character. How does she expect to keep him after her body ages.

          The flesh corrupts with age.

          Character improves with age if the person seeks truth and wisdom.

          Lou Newton
          Well said, Lou. Very well said. Let me point out the opposite extreme, as well, as they go hand-in-hand I think.

          Several of my neighbors belong to a severe religious sect that requires women, from birth to death, wear ONLY dresses that go below the knee at all times. Nylons are not permitted, or high heels. Knee-high stockings only so no flesh will be seen. Year-round. And I see these girls and women outside in the hot dry Colorado summer and can't begin to imagine how miserable they have to be. Sweat pouring down as they work their gardens, mow, haul landscaping rock, etc etc.

          Surely there is a way to be modest and still dress appropriately for the task at hand. One of the ladies told me they do this because the Bible says women are not to wear men's clothing. Sounds more like rules, works, and subjection than common sense and modesty to me, but what do I know?

          Still, as a whole, we have become an immodest people with no moral compass.
          You know not what you do because you know not who He is.
          - Paul Washer
          Satan is the angel of knowledge and he does not waste his time on anything for no reason.
          - Lou Newton

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jules View Post
            Well said, Lou. Very well said. Let me point out the opposite extreme, as well, as they go hand-in-hand I think.

            Several of my neighbors belong to a severe religious sect that requires women, from birth to death, wear ONLY dresses that go below the knee at all times. Nylons are not permitted, or high heels. Knee-high stockings only so no flesh will be seen. Year-round. And I see these girls and women outside in the hot dry Colorado summer and can't begin to imagine how miserable they have to be. Sweat pouring down as they work their gardens, mow, haul landscaping rock, etc etc.

            Surely there is a way to be modest and still dress appropriately for the task at hand. One of the ladies told me they do this because the Bible says women are not to wear men's clothing. Sounds more like rules, works, and subjection than common sense and modesty to me, but what do I know?

            Still, as a whole, we have become an immodest people with no moral compass.
            How true Julie. I preached at a Silent Quaker church for two years. It seems to me that many in that sect thought that if they dressed in old fashioned clothes, it would save their souls. I do not think all of them thought this by far. Some were only trying to be modest.

            Lou

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            • #7
              Having been a teenager in the sixties this certainly brings back memories. I can remember being shocked by the first bikinis. On the other hand, here came mini skirts and I dove right in. At 98 lbs. soaking wet, I certainly was not revealing much, but I don't think they were modest. I worry about my daughter, who is a very beautiful lady of 42. She is thin and striking. She wears way less covering than I like. And she is a photographer. So........she takes pictures of herself. Her husband once said this about her "I like myself, I like taking pictures if myself. I like me on the beach. I like me in the mountains. I really like me." He was being funny, but I worry there is truth there. I wonder how many of her pictures make it into men's lockers. I think I will e-mail the you tube video to her.

              Modesty seems to have left this world for the most part.

              I agree with Julie, though. You can go over board. We have a large Mennonite group. I don't think God would ask that we all dress alike and that a dress is more modest than pants. I also don't understand the cap thing. But between the two, I might like the Mennonite dress more than the lack of clothing I see on men and women today.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TennesseeLinda View Post
                Having been a teenager in the sixties this certainly brings back memories. I can remember being shocked by the first bikinis. On the other hand, here came mini skirts and I dove right in. At 98 lbs. soaking wet, I certainly was not revealing much, but I don't think they were modest. I worry about my daughter, who is a very beautiful lady of 42. She is thin and striking. She wears way less covering than I like. And she is a photographer. So........she takes pictures of herself. Her husband once said this about her "I like myself, I like taking pictures if myself. I like me on the beach. I like me in the mountains. I really like me." He was being funny, but I worry there is truth there. I wonder how many of her pictures make it into men's lockers. I think I will e-mail the you tube video to her.

                Modesty seems to have left this world for the most part.

                I agree with Julie, though. You can go over board. We have a large Mennonite group. I don't think God would ask that we all dress alike and that a dress is more modest than pants. I also don't understand the cap thing. But between the two, I might like the Mennonite dress more than the lack of clothing I see on men and women today.

                I agree, Linda, I think our nation would be better off if all dressed like Mennonites instead of dressing like they do.

                Of course I know some Mennonites that were very humble and pious people, and others that were arrogant, hostile and just plain mean.

                So the way we dress does not purify the soul in any way. Only giving our life to Jesus does that.

                Lou

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                • #9
                  Great comments, all.

                  What is immodesty but flesh glorying? Or at best, flesh ignorant of its shame.

                  Jesus covered Adam and Eve with a better covering than they made themselves. Jesus covers our shame with His blood.

                  Hebrew priests were not to build an altar with steps:

                  Exo 20:26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

                  In Gen 9:22-24 one of Noah's sons did not cover Noah's nakedness, but exposed him to the other two sons. The two sons covered him to preserve his dignity (by covering his shame). The one who exposed Noah was cursed for his lapse.

                  Pro 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
                  Pro 17:9 He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth very friends.
                  1Pe 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity [love] among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

                  Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
                  Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

                  Covering is a big deal to the Lord. It is not just about hiding skin.

                  Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Baruch View Post
                    Great comments, all.

                    What is immodesty but flesh glorying? Or at best, flesh ignorant of its shame.

                    Jesus covered Adam and Eve with a better covering than they made themselves. Jesus covers our shame with His blood.

                    Hebrew priests were not to build an altar with steps:

                    Exo 20:26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

                    In Gen 9:22-24 one of Noah's sons did not cover Noah's nakedness, but exposed him to the other two sons. The two sons covered him to preserve his dignity (by covering his shame). The one who exposed Noah was cursed for his lapse.

                    Pro 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
                    Pro 17:9 He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth very friends.
                    1Pe 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity [love] among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

                    Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
                    Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

                    Covering is a big deal to the Lord. It is not just about hiding skin.

                    Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
                    Amen this covering is a shadow of the fact that no one will be accepted by God unless they are covered with His blood.

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                    • #11
                      My two cents:

                      If a woman wears revealing clothing, she is drawing attention to her flesh, in both a physical and spiritual sense.

                      Femininity is really beautiful, but is becoming lost because women are being taught a lie that they are to act like men.

                      Likewise, I'm sure that women think masculinity is very strong. But again, it's becoming lost because men are being told to act like women (....and video game playing zombies....).

                      Women don't make for very good men and mothers don't make very good fathers.

                      Likewise, men don't make for very good women and fathers don't make very good mothers.

                      Our culture is destroying our genders.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Knight View Post
                        My two cents:

                        If a woman wears revealing clothing, she is drawing attention to her flesh, in both a physical and spiritual sense.

                        Femininity is really beautiful, but is becoming lost because women are being taught a lie that they are to act like men.

                        Likewise, I'm sure that women think masculinity is very strong. But again, it's becoming lost because men are being told to act like women (....and video game playing zombies....).

                        Women don't make for very good men and mothers don't make very good fathers.

                        Likewise, men don't make for very good women and fathers don't make very good mothers.

                        Our culture is destroying our genders.
                        How true Karl..................Lou

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Knight View Post
                          My two cents:

                          If a woman wears revealing clothing, she is drawing attention to her flesh, in both a physical and spiritual sense.

                          Femininity is really beautiful, but is becoming lost because women are being taught a lie that they are to act like men.

                          Likewise, I'm sure that women think masculinity is very strong. But again, it's becoming lost because men are being told to act like women (....and video game playing zombies....).

                          Women don't make for very good men and mothers don't make very good fathers.

                          Likewise, men don't make for very good women and fathers don't make very good mothers.

                          Our culture is destroying our genders.
                          Karl,

                          That's about the most profound thing I have heard this month.

                          In all seriousness, did you just sit down and write that off the cuff, or did you grab this from somewhere?

                          Thanks for sharing,

                          Travis

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Travis View Post
                            Karl,

                            That's about the most profound thing I have heard this month.

                            In all seriousness, did you just sit down and write that off the cuff, or did you grab this from somewhere?

                            Thanks for sharing,

                            Travis

                            The former. I didn't copy and paste it from anywhere.

                            Thanks.

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