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    How Do You Know You Have the Holy Spirit?
    The Spirit sees to it that you groan for your sin.

    - Tim Conway
    You know not what you do because you know not who He is.
    - Paul Washer
    Satan is the angel of knowledge and he does not waste his time on anything for no reason.
    - Lou Newton

  • #2
    Originally posted by Jules View Post
    How Do You Know You Have the Holy Spirit?
    The Spirit sees to it that you groan for your sin.

    - Tim Conway
    Question - did Tim says this before or after he was on the Carol Burnett show ?

    On the serious side, we have this scripture in Ezekiel, that tells us of this test that God uses to give a mark for all that are to be saved ( or all that have The Holy Spirit)

    Ezekiel 9 NIV 1985

    Idolaters Killed

    1 Then I heard him call out in a loud voice, "Bring the guards of the city here, each with a weapon in his hand."
    2 And I saw six men coming from the direction of the upper gate, which faces north, each with a deadly weapon in his hand. With them was a man clothed in linen who had a writing kit at his side. They came in and stood beside the bronze altar.
    3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side
    4 and said to him, "Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it."
    5 As I listened, he said to the others, "Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion.
    6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.
    7Then he said to them, "Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!" So they went out and began killing throughout the city.
    8 While they were killing and I was left alone, I fell facedown, crying out, "Ah, Sovereign LORD! Are you going to destroy the entire remnant of Israel in this outpouring of your wrath on Jerusalem?"
    9 He answered me, "The sin of the house of Israel and Judah is exceedingly great; the land is full of bloodshed and the city is full of injustice. They say, 'The LORD has forsaken the land; the LORD does not see.'
    10 So I will not look on them with pity or spare them, but I will bring down on their own heads what they have done."
    11 Then the man in linen with the writing kit at his side brought back word, saying, "I have done as you commanded."

    We see here that The Lord uses this same test so the angel who gives the mark can tell who has the Holy Spirit and who does not. Everyone who
    GRIEVES AND LAMENTS over the sin in Jerusalem is given the mark.

    To grieve and lament is not just to sorrow, but for one to have sorrow as they have lost their lover, or their child.

    Now we should also consider this:

    These that grieve and lament over the sin they see; whose sin will they see first ? Whose sin will they feel worse about ? They will see their own sin first and feel that their own sin is the worst. That is the very nature of one who has the Holy Spirit.

    BTW, I think the mark given to those who grieved and lamented over their sin was the letter "t", or the sign of the cross.

    We see this result of having the Holy Spirit in Paul:

    After his first journey to preach the gospel Paul said this in 1 Cor 15:
    9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
    10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect.


    After his second journey Paul said this in Ephesians 3:
    8 Although I am less than the least of all God's people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.

    After his third journey Paul finally said this in 1 Tim 1:
    15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the worst. 16 But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life.

    We see that the closer Paul got to The Lord Jesus, the Majesty Of Jesus revealed how small he was. The better Paul knew The Holy Spirit, the more Holiness of The Lord Jesus was revealed to him and the more his sinfulness was revealed.

    Many years ago I was faced with so much regret over my failures that I found it hard to draw breath. While in that condition The Lord sent me to a church up the street from where I lived. The Lord spoke prophecy through my lips and The Lord only speaks Truth.

    I actually heard the preacher there say that he was "the King of all Salem". In his ignorance he was not aware that Melchizedek was The King of Salem, and that is why Jerusalem is called the city of The Great King. (Melchizedek is of course God) He was also telling these people that they were no longer sinners now that they had Christ.

    Note: just down the road there was a town named Salem. The church was in a town named Damascus and in Goshen township. Also down the road was East Palestine.

    The Lord caused me to speak the Truth and the result was I was asked to leave and this man preached a whole Sunday sermon about me ( mentioned me by name many times during the sermon) and told the whole congregation to shun me.

    This was crushing to me in my already sad state. I got so depressed that I thought myself eternally lost. I went to this counselor who only made me feel even worse. BUT he also told me this: " Lou, you are the saddest person I have ever seen or known". He had been a counselor for many years and seen and known many people. He had said this with such conviction that it stuck me with a great impact. I now felt that I must be the worst person on the face of the earth. I found it very difficult to even drive home I was so sad and depressed.

    I was lamenting over my failures and my sins. In my grief The Lord spoke to me out of the blue: he said Ezekiel 9.

    I picked up my Bible and read it. I could hardly believe my eyes. It was such good news to me at that time.

    You see what is terrible and fearful news to those who consider themselves righteous is the most wonderful news to those who The Holy Spirit has revealed their sinfulness to them.

    Grace also to you,
    Lou Newton








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    • #3
      Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
      Question - did Tim says this before or after he was on the Carol Burnett show ?

      On the serious side, we have this scripture in Ezekiel, that tells us of this test that God uses to give a mark for all that are to be saved ( or all that have The Holy Spirit)

      Ezekiel 9 NIV 1985

      Idolaters Killed

      1 Then I heard him call out in a loud voice, "Bring the guards of the city here, each with a weapon in his hand."
      2 And I saw six men coming from the direction of the upper gate, which faces north, each with a deadly weapon in his hand. With them was a man clothed in linen who had a writing kit at his side. They came in and stood beside the bronze altar.
      3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side
      4 and said to him, "Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it."
      5 As I listened, he said to the others, "Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion.
      6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.
      7Then he said to them, "Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!" So they went out and began killing throughout the city.
      8 While they were killing and I was left alone, I fell facedown, crying out, "Ah, Sovereign LORD! Are you going to destroy the entire remnant of Israel in this outpouring of your wrath on Jerusalem?"
      9 He answered me, "The sin of the house of Israel and Judah is exceedingly great; the land is full of bloodshed and the city is full of injustice. They say, 'The LORD has forsaken the land; the LORD does not see.'
      10 So I will not look on them with pity or spare them, but I will bring down on their own heads what they have done."
      11 Then the man in linen with the writing kit at his side brought back word, saying, "I have done as you commanded."

      We see here that The Lord uses this same test so the angel who gives the mark can tell who has the Holy Spirit and who does not. Everyone who
      GRIEVES AND LAMENTS over the sin in Jerusalem is given the mark.

      To grieve and lament is not just to sorrow, but for one to have sorrow as they have lost their lover, or their child.

      Now we should also consider this:

      These that grieve and lament over the sin they see; whose sin will they see first ? Whose sin will they feel worse about ? They will see their own sin first and feel that their own sin is the worst. That is the very nature of one who has the Holy Spirit.

      BTW, I think the mark given to those who grieved and lamented over their sin was the letter "t", or the sign of the cross.

      We see this result of having the Holy Spirit in Paul:

      After his first journey to preach the gospel Paul said this in 1 Cor 15:
      9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
      10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect.


      After his second journey Paul said this in Ephesians 3:
      8 Although I am less than the least of all God's people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.

      After his third journey Paul finally said this in 1 Tim 1:
      15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the worst. 16 But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life.

      We see that the closer Paul got to The Lord Jesus, the Majesty Of Jesus revealed how small he was. The better Paul knew The Holy Spirit, the more Holiness of The Lord Jesus was revealed to him and the more his sinfulness was revealed.

      Many years ago I was faced with so much regret over my failures that I found it hard to draw breath. While in that condition The Lord sent me to a church up the street from where I lived. The Lord spoke prophecy through my lips and The Lord only speaks Truth.

      I actually heard the preacher there say that he was "the King of all Salem". In his ignorance he was not aware that Melchizedek was The King of Salem, and that is why Jerusalem is called the city of The Great King. (Melchizedek is of course God) He was also telling these people that they were no longer sinners now that they had Christ.

      Note: just down the road there was a town named Salem. The church was in a town named Damascus and in Goshen township. Also down the road was East Palestine.

      The Lord caused me to speak the Truth and the result was I was asked to leave and this man preached a whole Sunday sermon about me ( mentioned me by name many times during the sermon) and told the whole congregation to shun me.

      This was crushing to me in my already sad state. I got so depressed that I thought myself eternally lost. I went to this counselor who only made me feel even worse. BUT he also told me this: " Lou, you are the saddest person I have ever seen or known". He had been a counselor for many years and seen and known many people. He had said this with such conviction that it stuck me with a great impact. I now felt that I must be the worst person on the face of the earth. I found it very difficult to even drive home I was so sad and depressed.

      I was lamenting over my failures and my sins. In my grief The Lord spoke to me out of the blue: he said Ezekiel 9.

      I picked up my Bible and read it. I could hardly believe my eyes. It was such good news to me at that time.

      You see what is terrible and fearful news to those who consider themselves righteous is the most wonderful news to those who The Holy Spirit has revealed their sinfulness to them.

      Grace also to you,
      Lou Newton

      Awesome post Lou.

      Blane

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Blane View Post
        Awesome post Lou.

        Blane
        Thanks for the reply Blane.

        I do think Paul wrote those verses in total truthfulness. I do not think he was grandstanding or showing false modesty in the least. I think he truly felt like he was the worst sinner among all Christians.

        I can say that I truly felt like I was the worst sinner on the face of this whole earth.

        Lou

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lou Newton View Post
          Thanks for the reply Blane.

          I do think Paul wrote those verses in total truthfulness. I do not think he was grandstanding or showing false modesty in the least. I think he truly felt like he was the worst sinner among all Christians.

          I can say that I truly felt like I was the worst sinner on the face of this whole earth.

          Lou
          That's a good thing, Lou. One of several lost doctrines in the modern day church is the Doctrine of Total Depravity. Mankind is not just marred by sin. Mankind is totally depraved and spiritually void of anything good in his lost condition. For a believer to truly get in touch with how God views sin is of immense value.

          Blane

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Blane View Post
            That's a good thing, Lou. One of several lost doctrines in the modern day church is the Doctrine of Total Depravity. Mankind is not just marred by sin. Mankind is totally depraved and spiritually void of anything good in his lost condition. For a believer to truly get in touch with how God views sin is of immense value.

            Blane
            /sarcasm on:
            But...but...but...What about my right to have "my best life now" (joel osteen)?!?!?
            What about sewing seeds of faith for my new mercedes (creflo dollar)???
            Doesn't God just want me to be happy?
            I don't wanna grieve over my faults, failings, and (oh no here comes that dreaded word) SINS.
            /sarcasm off

            I thank God afterward for the shovel-in-my-face grief when He disciplines. Sometimes it's real painful to contemplate what I must look like to Him.
            You know not what you do because you know not who He is.
            - Paul Washer
            Satan is the angel of knowledge and he does not waste his time on anything for no reason.
            - Lou Newton

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jules View Post
              /sarcasm on:
              But...but...but...What about my right to have "my best life now" (joel osteen)?!?!?
              What about sewing seeds of faith for my new mercedes (creflo dollar)???
              Doesn't God just want me to be happy?
              I don't wanna grieve over my faults, failings, and (oh no here comes that dreaded word) SINS.
              /sarcasm off

              I thank God afterward for the shovel-in-my-face grief when He disciplines. Sometimes it's real painful to contemplate what I must look like to Him.
              Anyone who reads the scriptures while asking The Lord Jesus to reveal His truth to them will see that Osteen and Dollar do not agree with scripture:

              Here is but one passage that reveals that they are not preaching the truth:

              Hebrews 11

              By Faith

              1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
              2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
              3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
              4 By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as a righteous man, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead.
              5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.
              6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
              7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
              8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance,obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.
              9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise.
              10For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
              11 By faith Abraham, even though he was past age--and Sarah herself was barren--was enabled to become a father because he considered him faithfulwho had made the promise.
              12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.
              13All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth.
              14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own.
              15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return.
              16 Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
              17 By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son,
              18 even though God had said to him, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."
              19 Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead,and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death.
              20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.
              21 By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph's sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.
              22 By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions about his bones.
              23 By faith Moses' parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king's edict.
              24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh's daughter.
              25He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a short time.
              26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward.
              27 By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king's anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible.
              28 By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.
              29 By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.
              30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the people had marched around them for seven days.
              31By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.
              32 And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel and the prophets,
              33who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions,
              34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies.
              35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
              36 Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
              37 They were stoned; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
              38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground.
              39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised.
              40 God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

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